Millennia Auction "NGC Graded" ??????

covers

I must have missed something. I bought a couple Roman coins that just arrived. I was expecting them to be slabs (although I don't care much about slabs) because the items were described as "NGC Graded Uncirculated." How does one know what was in the catalog is from NGC?????

MrEureka

Richard - Although I don't see this question addressed in the catalog, I suspect that NGC will issue a photo-certificate for any of these coins. (They did the same for the Eliasberg world gold collection.) They might even be willing to slab them. But you'll need to call Goldberg or NGC to get a more meaningful answer, of course.

covers

Andy - Thank you. I got no response from Goldberg (what a surprise) but the people at NGC responded right away. According to NGC, Goldberg was supposed to have included a photocert with the lot but they didn't. NGC will re-holder for me. Pain in the ass as it sure wasn't spelled out in the Goldberg catalog.

Who do you recommend for slabbing ancients? I care as much about getting my stuff imaged as I am terrible with that.

MrEureka

Who do you recommend for slabbing ancients?

I'm not an expert on ancients so I'm not qualified to judge the slabbers. That said, I see no reason to slab ancients. It's not like the US coin market, where collectors most often don't have the cajones to buy raw coins of any consequence. Raw ancients sell perfectly well.

covers

Andy - What about for imaging? Then cracking them - about 80% of my Romans are raw.

MrEureka

According to NGC, Goldberg was supposed to have included a photocert with the lot but they didn't.

BTW, that probably means the photocerts are sitting on someone's desk in Beverly Hills. I'd suggest calling Goldberg again.

covers

Andy, Correct again. Just heard from Goldberg and they are sending along the photo certs.

Doogy

<< <i>Andy - What about for imaging? Then cracking them - about 80% of my Romans are raw. >>



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covers

Doogy - Thank you. Can you PM me with the email addresses of those people, or tell me theire handles so that I may contact them.

covers

Well, I got my photocerts today from Goldberg as shown below.

Actually, I would rather have this than a slab. Does any other grading group do this? I really am looking for imaging as much as grading.

Doogy

I too like the Photocerts, glad you got it from Goldbergs.

i'll email you later with some contact info of photographers

covers

Doogy - Thank you!

I just got of the phone with a very nice guy at NGC (Scott Schechter) who explained that they don't normally do photocerts for ancients so they called somebody in specifically on those items in Millennia collection. Meybe in the future they will ....

I would be very happy with just photocerts on ancients. Does anybody do that?

TwoKopeiki

Another interesting tidbit about the Goldberg sale - NGC also did their catalogue photography. Fantastic job on that, in my opinion.

covers

Roman - Why do you say that? On lot #100 which I purchased, the photocert has a very different image from what is published in catalog. Maybe they did images at two different times.

Which leads me to the question, what do you desire from a catalog image? The Goldberg images show luster on lot #100 which just isn't there. I suspect very advanced image manipulation to make them look better than they are in the flesh. Is this normal?

TwoKopeiki

Richard, my comment was towards the quality and composition of the catalogues. Having no luck with my bids, however, I am unable to speak to their accuracy. Also, from the PhotoCert. that you posted, It is obvious that they had a different process for the catalogue imaging.

Doogy

I saw about 100 of the lots in person, and the pictures in the catalog were pretty close to being accurate to the real thing. Sometimes however, a coin can look better in person or in a picture, which can be attributed to lighting, etc. I think overall, they did a great job with the photography, although just like any other auction, there were probably some that looked better in hand than picture, or vice versa.

Photoguy

Let me give you the truth......

All of the imaging was done by me at the Goldbergs. I work for the Goldbergs always have. So NGC is 100% wrong in them telling you that they did the imaging for us. Its actually the other way around we did all the imaging for them. I love how its he said she said. As well I did the layout on the catalog not NGC. They graded the coins PERIOD THATS IT! Sorry if I seem a bit angry as I dont take kindly to people saying that they took the picture when in fact I did.

As far as images looking different from the photograde and our catalog. About 50% of the images of the ancients were re-shot after the photogrades given. I had a drive go out and had to reshoot a number of coins because of it. Hope this clears things up.

I would love to know the source that told you this information TwoKopeiki.

Lyle
Goldberg Photographer