Is Deep Cameo the Same as Ultra Cameo?

OneCent

Is a Dcam coin the same thing as a Ucam coin? Could a coin be Ucam but not Dcam and vice versa. Seems like a stupid question but I am not sure. They seem to be the same to me but...

LindeDad

UCAM at NGC same as DCAM at PCGS.

Russ

Sort of. The designations mean the same thing, but there is a difference in degree of difficulty between the two services. However, that difference has narrowed signifcantly as of late.

Russ, NCNE

robec

UCam is designated by NGC and PCGS used DCam. Basically the same although each company probably uses a different criteria.

Wingsrule

From my experience, DCAM at PCGS will cross to a UCAM at NGC, but the reverse is not necessarily true.

bigmansam88

I think that Ultra Cameo sounds better, but they seemingly mean the same thing

Russ

Interesting thing is that PCI used to use both Deep Cameo and Ultra Cameo, the latter being the highest designation. Here's a PCI UCAM:



Russ, NCNE

DJCoinz

I find it funny when some ebay sellers advertise their PCGS DCAMs as nearly UCAM.

RBinTex

ANACS has Deep and Ultra Deep

Cameonut

<< <i>Sort of. The designations mean the same thing, but there is a difference in degree of difficulty between the two services. However, that difference has narrowed signifcantly as of late.

Russ, NCNE >>



Would we be interpreting your comment correctly if we were to conclude that NGC has tightened their standard of late? It seems to me that PCGS has been consistently tough.

My past experience is the same as WingsRule.....

Russ

<< <i>Would we be interpreting your comment correctly if we were to conclude that NGC has tightened their standard of late? >>



Yep, UCAM has tightened a bit and Cameo has tightened to the point of stupidity. Not that I'm complaining, since two of my PCGS MS66CAM Birthmark Dies were cracked out of NGC NON cameo holders.

Russ, NCNE

Bear

In addition to the somewhat different standards by PCGS

and NGC, there are just made 7"+ mirror fields, and there

are the 10 to 15 inch monsters. Most monsters are locked up

long term in collections, but a few come up for sale from time

to time. Remember, stay away from any cameo that has cloudy

fields, unusually numerous and disturbing scrapes, breaks in luster

on devices or outright nicks. You will have to choose, generally, between

deep clear fields or devices with minimal marks. It is usually very difficult

to achieve everything one wants on the current lot of DMPLs. You should have

seen the quality that was available in the 70s and 80s. WOW!

leothelyon

<< <i>Is a Dcam coin the same thing as a Ucam coin? Could a coin be Ucam but not Dcam and vice versa. Seems like a stupid question but I am not sure. They seem to be the same to me but...

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Interesting question since you will need to learn the answer for yourself rather then taking a TGS or someone's word for it. No matter how you cut it, you'll always end up as the final judge from the number of comparisons you make.


Leo