Issue resolved. Nothing to see here...move along...

Raybob15239 · May 29, 2008 4:58AM

This dead horse has been beat enough. The seller has done enough to make me comfortable.

Thanks all for your imput.

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Anyone familiar with this Ebay Seller?

I just purchased a coin based on the photo (clearly shows that the coin was in an ANACS slab. I asked after the auction about the coin, and inquired as to the grade on the slab. I stated that it was clearly an ANACS old style white slab in the picture. This was their response:

"We actually use the different size white pieces for photos. We have one for all denominations. It works good and keep employees finger prints off the coins!"

I sent two follow-ups thru ebay messages and a third email to their email address. No response.

I sniped the coin at the last minute (saw it with less than 2 minutes to go) because I recognized it to be a Hit List 40 VAM from the photos and at the price, I did not want to miss it. Probably should have let this one go, but I got greedy and stupid. Since purchasing, I scanned their feedback and there were a couple "not the coin pictured" feedbacks.

This may turn out to be my 3rd neg given in over 620 ebay transactions as a buyer and seller.

GoldenEyeNumismatics · May 29, 2008 5:02AM

If it was not stated in the auction description that the piece was ANACS certified, then you shouldn't have assumed so. You made an assumption and became angry when it did not correlate with the actual situation.

Unless the coin you receive turns out to not be the one pictured, then you should not leave a neg.

Link to the auction?

Raybob15239 · May 29, 2008 5:10AM

Link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200225898154&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123

There is no mention that this is a stock photo. The coin is listed as gem bu. I am angry in that they are not responsive. I asked a direct question; is the coin pictured the one I will receive. They did not answer that question.

I don't take feedback lightly. I've had over 600 transactions on ebay as a buyer and seller. I never hold feedback hostage to see what the other party says about me when I'm the seller. I leave feedback when I receive payment and when I receive the item I bought. I've only given out 2 negs. One for an undelivered item where the seller never responded to emails and the other when the seller substituted a cull 1899O for a AU+1878CC that was listed in the auction as an 1878CC in BU. It was part of a lot of 40+ coins. The seller in that case never responded when I emailed and telephoned him.

The only way I will leave a neg is if the coin is not the one pictured. But if you look at the pic of the reverse, its clearly in an ANACS slab.

Res · May 29, 2008 5:12AM

LINK

clarkbar04 · May 29, 2008 5:24AM

If you can cherry vams from photos that small, you are good!

Sorry about your situation, hope you get it worked out.

codamyer · May 29, 2008 5:27AM

Have to agree with you! Its in an old ANACS slab. There are enough bag marks on this coin to easily tell it apart. But who knows, you might even get a nicer coin

Just have to wait and see. But if its not a nicer coin then NEG the hell out of them.

19Lyds · May 29, 2008 5:42AM

Personally, I would only NEG the seller if the coin received was not the coin in the auction AND the seller did not promptly refund you purchase price after you returned the coin.

Yes, it certainly appears to be an ANACS Slab but I can;t recall if that logo was on the slab or the insert so I'm no help there.

However, the photo'ed coin has enough personality to be able to accurately identify it.

If he sends you a better coin than whats pictured that is the same VAM, what will you do?

Raybob15239 · May 29, 2008 6:06AM

Its a VAM 6A. THe die gouge from the B to the U is clearly there.

There's enough chatter in the fields to id it as well. In re the Neg, the only way I would neg is if they resisted on the return. I've had sellers send non-conforming items in the past and work out a solution, and I've left positive feedback. Hell, I've never even left a neutral to my best recollection.

lkrarecoins · May 29, 2008 6:14AM

I once had a seller ship me a coin that wasnt pictured.......it was a nice Barwing (in the photo), and, conveniently, when I received the coin, there was no Barwing break!!!

Darn thief!

Placid · May 29, 2008 6:20AM

It is a anacs slab in the pic and I looked at some of the sellers other auctions and those do not use that "same background".

Raybob15239 · May 29, 2008 6:27AM

Its been a few hours since my last attempt to contact them. First attempt was pretty damned quick. Either they are scrambling trying to find the coin they used for the stock photo or they are ignoring me (or they haven't checked their messages for a while

)

I loved the comment that its something they use to keep fingerprints off the coin. Please. There's adhesive residue on the plastic on the front of the coin slab...

I knew I should have just passed it up, but I got stupid. Now I'm probably going to have to deal with a problem... at least its only $38 and not $380!

… · May 29, 2008 6:42AM

<< Its a VAM 6A. THe die gouge from the B to the U is clearly there.

There's enough chatter in the fields to id it as well. In re the Neg, the only way I would neg is if they resisted on the return. I've had sellers send non-conforming items in the past and work out a solution, and I've left positive feedback. Hell, I've never even left a neutral to my best recollection. >>

Yeah, but it looks like its also MISSING THE S! If that is the case, then way to go!

Raybob15239 · May 29, 2008 6:43AM

Well, just got off the phone with them... their number was on the seller info on the paypal receipt.

The coin they were shipping was not the coin in the photo. The person who I talked to was not the person who was responsible for the auction, but instead for the shipping. I told her that if it was not the coin in the photo, I wasn't interested. Basically, they used a stock photo and cropped it to eliminate most of the slab. They did not however state that the coin in the photo was not the coin that was being auctioned. The guy who I have to deal with on this wasn't there so I have to wait for him to get back to me. I'll post the results of that conversation later. Guess the word to the wise is confirm that they aren't using stock photos before you bid on items.

edit: for the record, the woman I spoke with was very nice, very professional and very courteous. Hopefully this gets resolved without any issues.

Raybob15239 · May 29, 2008 6:47AM

I couldn't see the S, but to be a 6B it has to be completely gone. I've got one that is so light that you have to tilt the coin to see the S and was told, sorry, its still a 6A! I was shooting for a nice 62 or 63 6A...my best 6A is a slider at best.

BlindedByEgo · May 29, 2008 6:49AM

<< Its been a few hours since my last attempt to contact them. First attempt was pretty damned quick. Either they are scrambling trying to find the coin they used for the stock photo or they are ignoring me (or they haven't checked their messages for a while

)

I loved the comment that its something they use to keep fingerprints off the coin. Please. There's adhesive residue on the plastic on the front of the coin slab...

I knew I should have just passed it up, but I got stupid. Now I'm probably going to have to deal with a problem... at least its only $38 and not $380! >>

The coin is not represented as being in an ANACS holder. OTOH, if they used a stock photo then they should honor your return by full refund of the purchase price plus insurance.

I generally give sellers a day or two to respond - I know how busy it can get with many auctions closing simultaneously.

Raybob15239 · May 29, 2008 6:57AM

I was not claiming that it was represented as being in an ANACS slab. The photo was of an ANACS slabbed coin. I was trying to find out if the coin in the photo was the coin I would receive. It was not. The listing did not indicate a stock photo. Just had "Nice Coin" and the picture, which implies that the pictured coin is the coin in the auction.

The ANACS slab basically made it possible to verify that the coin pictured was not the coin in the auction. I've requested a refund. If they give one prior to shipping the coin, then I'd probably leave + feedback because they acted professionally.

Bochiman · May 29, 2008 7:05AM

Not to be mean or anything, but are you SURE that is the old ANACS slab? Ie....are you sure it was actually by ANACS?
I believe this is the auction?

I purchased some "old" anacs size slabs, with the white inside, just for the purpose of storage some of the coins I didn't want in 2x2s, or "bare", and weren't worth grading fees.
I bought them in all denominations.

The insides are more "foamy" and they aren't perfect, but if I took a photo and put on ebay, with the quality that auction has, one might think they are looking at an official anacs slab as well.

I would also think that if there was a grade on the slab (ie....real slab from anacs) that it would have been mentioned in the auction. Better selling point and likely more money realized.

That said, I also have the smudges, but it does appear that the reverse photo has the Anacs logo and it is likely what you stated.....a "not the coin pictured" type of thing.

Good luck iwth it. Just wanted people to be aware there are slabs that self-slabbers use that are very close to the smaller anacs ones and they are easy to get (some of us use them for storage as I mentioned)

pennyannie · May 29, 2008 7:32AM

I think you assumed way to much. Probably not the greatest seller in the world but you created a mess for all by being in a hurry. Mulitple emails, phone calls, relisting and such over a 36 dollar coin.

direwolf1972 · May 29, 2008 7:39AM

<< 

<< Its a VAM 6A. THe die gouge from the B to the U is clearly there.

There's enough chatter in the fields to id it as well. In re the Neg, the only way I would neg is if they resisted on the return. I've had sellers send non-conforming items in the past and work out a solution, and I've left positive feedback. Hell, I've never even left a neutral to my best recollection. >>

Yeah, but it looks like its also MISSING THE S! If that is the case, then way to go! >>

I was thinking the same thing but thought I might need to clean my glasses. It looks a lot like 6B to me.

erroid · May 29, 2008 8:02AM

I don't remember buying from this seller, but had noticed a few varieties in his ads. Because his ads were vague(pieces looked slabed), I asked if the pictured coin was what the winner would receive; answer was NO. I've also seen varieties with only minutes to go(no time to "ask the seller a question", and have had to return some of em. Yeah, I had to "eat" the shipping costs, in most cases, but such is the cost of "picking".

ChrisRx · May 29, 2008 8:04AM

I bought some franklin halves a few years ago from them.

AUandAG · May 29, 2008 9:43AM

What I see is a Philly coin and not a San Francisco coin as indicated. What I don't see is a
description of the coin. I do believe that ebay requires the seller to describe the coin. But, alas,
it's ebay and a power seller. I cannot see that it is "clearly in an Anacs slab". A slab of some
sort but the old slide top slabs look the same.
Hmmmm, hope you get the coin pictured and are happy.

bob

Raybob15239 · May 29, 2008 11:16AM

Got a response. They've been very professional, very reasonable. Regardless of outcome, I would not leg a neg; most likely, as things are going now, would leave a positive. They are actually pretty cool about this. I'm very pleasantly surprised so far....

halfhunter · May 29, 2008 11:48AM

Well if this is an indication of this seller, think I'll pass.

RED? ? ?

Regards, John

Raybob15239 · May 30, 2008 6:33AM

I have been assured that the coin in the auction is the coin I will receive. It is not slabbed. The seller states that they used an insert from an old ANACS slab to hold the coin, that the stylized A is on the insert, not on the plastic. I'm not sure about that as I never cracked an old ANACS holder to know. I assumed that the insert was just a foam or semi-hard plastic and the A was stamped into the clear cover.

I'll give them a chance. We'll see what comes in the mail. Its only $36, so risk is limited. I will post the pic from the auction, along with what I receive and you can decide for yourselves whether its the same coin or not.

That being said, they were cordial, polite and professional. No nonsense. No snippiness. And, they promise to make it right if I'm not happy. I bought the coin based on the photo. I did not assume it was slabbed when I bid. I only made that assumption later after the auction closed, so it was not a factor in my purchase; therefor, the fact that the coin is raw vs slabbed is immaterial and is not a factor here.

MadMarty · May 30, 2008 6:41AM

<< I do believe that ebay requires the seller to describe the coin. But, alas, it's ebay and a power seller. >>

This is not about the seller in question, but do you really think EVERY power seller is a scumbag? Russ, many others here and myself are all Power Sellers, do we also fit into your "If they are a Power Seller, they MUST be a power screwer"?

I'm really sick of board members saying that if someone is a Power Seller they are screwing everyone who buys from them!

notwilight · May 30, 2008 6:45AM

<< Its been a few hours since my last attempt to contact them. First attempt was pretty damned quick. Either they are scrambling trying to find the coin they used for the stock photo or they are ignoring me (or they haven't checked their messages for a while

) I loved the comment that its something they use to keep fingerprints off the coin. Please. There's adhesive residue on the plastic on the front of the coin slab... I knew I should have just passed it up, but I got stupid. Now I'm probably going to have to deal with a problem... at least its only $38 and not $380! >>

It's only $38 and you're trying to cherrypick a vam. you should recognize you might end up with a coin worth melt and if you do, that's part of the game. That's how I enter into such a cherrypicking purchase---weigh success vs failure, calculate the odds and cost yields go or no go. --Jerry

notwilight · May 30, 2008 6:46AM

<< 

<< I do believe that ebay requires the seller to describe the coin. But, alas, it's ebay and a power seller. >>

This is not about the seller in question, but do you really think EVERY power seller is a scumbag? Russ, many others here and myself are all Power Sellers, do we also fit into your "If they are a Power Seller, they MUST be a power screwer"? I'm really sick of board members saying that if someone is a Power Seller they are screwing everyone who buys from them! >>

Marty,
I agree with you. --Jerry

Raybob15239 · May 30, 2008 7:11AM

<< It's only $38 and you're trying to cherrypick a vam. you should recognize you might end up with a coin worth melt and if you do, that's part of the game. That's how I enter into such a cherrypicking purchase---weigh success vs failure, calculate the odds and cost yields go or no go. --Jerry >>

I agree completely. I have no issue with assuming the risk when the coin I am to receive is the coin pictured, on which I made my choice to gamble. I've cherried a number of great coins for junk prices and I've bought some real dogs too. Its all part of the game. I don't like it when you bid on a pictured coin (especially where they say the coin pictured is the one you'll receive) and they send you a different coin. If its a stock photo, I don't bid. Period. I just want sellers to be up front about that.

In re Mad Marty's post about the term "Power Screwer", when I first posted this thread, I used the prejorative "power screwer" because that's how a large number of poster refer to power sellers on the forum. I used the common vernacular and should not have. I have since edited my post to remove that reference as it was unfair, both to this particular seller and to all other sellers. Sure, there are some "power screwers" that are rip-off artists, but just as most ebay buyers are schmucks who blackmail you with feedback, most power sellers are decent, honest merchants. I will refrain in the future from similar comments unless they are deserved.

PrivateCoinCollector · May 30, 2008 7:15AM

No neg, just hope you can return the coin. NEVER do the last 3 min thing. Haste makes waste. Don't ask me how I know.

Raybob15239 · May 30, 2008 7:42AM

<< No neg, just hope you can return the coin. NEVER do the last 3 min thing. Haste makes waste. Don't ask me how I know. >>

I seldom jump on a coin that I see for the first time in the last couple of minutes. There are certain dates and mints that I know what to look for and I scan those listings as far in advance as possible and put them on my watch list to come back later and try to pick. Usually, the clear-cut VAMs are noticed by the usual suspects and are priced higher than I was willing to pay. I've gotten pretty lucky with a number of picks for prices that I could afford to have the coin be a flop. I'd just trun around and resell it or trade it in at my B&M store (the guy will let me trade even up for coins in his "melt" bucket). I can't tell you how many great VAMs (including discovery coins) I've pulled from junk buckets.

As far as I'm concerned re this transaction, this seller would get a positive whether I kept the coin or returned it. They've been pretty good about this.

Russ · May 30, 2008 7:51AM

<< In re Mad Marty's post about the term "Power Screwer", when I first posted this thread, I used the prejorative "power screwer" because that's how a large number of poster refer to power sellers on the forum. >>

Russ, NCNE

TwoSides2aCoin · May 31, 2008 2:21AM

<< I'm really sick of board members saying that if someone is a Power Seller they are screwing everyone who buys from them! >>

I agree. PowerScrewers unite !

ksteelheader · May 31, 2008 4:21AM

<< 

<< I do believe that ebay requires the seller to describe the coin. But, alas, it's ebay and a power seller. >>

This is not about the seller in question, but do you really think EVERY power seller is a scumbag? Russ, many others here and myself are all Power Sellers, do we also fit into your "If they are a Power Seller, they MUST be a power screwer"?

I'm really sick of board members saying that if someone is a Power Seller they are screwing everyone who buys from them! >>

I buy from Powersellers MadMarty and Russ.

BlindedByEgo · May 31, 2008 5:01AM

I really don't think that the dead horse has been beat enough.

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TwoSides2aCoin · May 31, 2008 5:33AM

<< I really don't think that the dead horse has been beat enough. >>

Good on ya, Keith... as they Aussies say.
PMSL

Bochiman · May 31, 2008 5:39AM

<< I have been assured that the coin in the auction is the coin I will receive. It is not slabbed. The seller states that they used an insert from an old ANACS slab to hold the coin, that the stylized A is on the insert, not on the plastic. I'm not sure about that as I never cracked an old ANACS holder to know. I assumed that the insert was just a foam or semi-hard plastic and the A was stamped into the clear cover. >>

Just FYI that I pulled out an old ANACS insert from a 7070 crackout I did a few years ago. No "A" logo on the insert. This was for a shield nickel......

Raybob15239 · May 31, 2008 7:32AM

I know the insert doesn't have the A.

I figured for $38 I'd take my chances.

Issue resolved. Nothing to see here...move along...

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