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Do vinyl 2x2 pages pose any risk to coins stored long-term in them?

pendragon1998pendragon1998 Posts: 2,070 ✭✭✭
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Do vinyl 2x2 pages pose any risk to coins stored long-term in them?

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  • partagaspartagas Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭
    Good question I would love to hear from some experts.
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  • barbershopperbarbershopper Posts: 1,201
    I have a lot of these I inherited from my mother.
    I can't say they are the best way to store coins.
    As a guess, I think they knock 2 or 3 grades off a coin.
    However, they were bought 30 or so years ago and
    might be a little less reliable compared to new ones.
    Barbershopper
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  • VeepVeep Posts: 1,468 ✭✭✭✭
    In my experience, coins placed in saflips of even ordinary 2x2's and then put in vinyl pages will do just fine. Under no circumstances do you want to place coins directly into vinyl pages without being placed into a holder first. I have seen many gooey messes that used to be nice coins stored this way.
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  • sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭
    I haven't had any problems, even with coins in vinyl pages for decades. Of course, they are in non-PVC 2x2s in vinyl pages...
  • wayneherndonwayneherndon Posts: 2,357 ✭✭✭
    Even short term exposure of coins directly to vinyl is can cause damage. Putting something between them (like the ideas mentioned above), while not 100% safe, is often works out okay (even for long-term) and is frequently seen as worth the risk on low value coins. However, the price difference between vinyl pages and archival safe pages (mylar, polyester, or polypropylene) are minimal. The latter are readily available. There really aren't any good reasons to use vinyl pages anymore. Just play it safe and keep PVC completely out of your collection storage methods.

    WH
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  • cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 7,965 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have seen coins in 2X2's in very old vinyl pages that did show PVC contamination...
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  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,906 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Most of the pages are relatively inert and won't hurt the coins for many years.

    I've seen a few of these that will cause damage quickly.

    If the coins are in holders it should matter little either way though I still throw out the bad ones.
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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,684 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I haven't had any problems, even with coins in vinyl pages for decades. Of course, they are in non-PVC 2x2s in vinyl pages... >>


    Ditto

    The ones I've seen that were bad were the coins stored in the 2x2, fold over vinyl flips. Those are as nasty as they get.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,010 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I read somewhere that PVC gives off HCl gas vapors over time. I wouldn't have PVC anwhere near my coins. There are many safer storage products out there so why take the chance?

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  • sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭
    I do agree that it is better to have no PVC around at all. I don't understand why PVC flips, etc are still made. what's the point?
  • AlixTCatAlixTCat Posts: 1,276
    PVC does not do any damage. It is the SOFTENERS they put in to make the PVC pliable that cause the damage.

    Jonathan
    I have been a collector for over mumbly-five years. I learn something new every day.
  • wayneherndonwayneherndon Posts: 2,357 ✭✭✭


    << <i>PVC does not do any damage. It is the SOFTENERS they put in to make the PVC pliable that cause the damage.

    Jonathan >>



    Actually, it is both. As the PVC breaksdown, it releases chlorine gas that causes the green slime that can etch and damage coins. The softeners also leach out and leave an oily presence on the coins. This will cause them to haze. This is especially noticeable on uncirculated business strikes and proofs were luster is important.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,010 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I do agree that it is better to have no PVC around at all. I don't understand why PVC flips, etc are still made. what's the point? >>



    PVC is cheaper than safer materials such as mylar.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • wayneherndonwayneherndon Posts: 2,357 ✭✭✭
    Here is a good primer on PVC.

    WH
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  • wayneherndonwayneherndon Posts: 2,357 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I do agree that it is better to have no PVC around at all. I don't understand why PVC flips, etc are still made. what's the point? >>



    PVC is cheaper than safer materials such as mylar. >>



    Exactly, although in some areas (like pocket pages and albums) the pricing is now comparable. The big offender seems to be double pocket flips and true archival quality non-vinyl flips (like Saflips) are still quite a bit more expensive than their vinyl counterparts. The price difference is cheap, however, when compared to the cost of damaging just a coin or two.

    WH
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  • tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I haven't had any problems, even with coins in vinyl pages for decades. Of course, they are in non-PVC 2x2s in vinyl pages... >>


    Ditto

    The ones I've seen that were bad were the coins stored in the 2x2, fold over vinyl flips. Those are as nasty as they get. >>



    i have seen that also. the vinyl flips are loaded with pvc and really can and do a number on the coins. i get them out of the flips asap!!!imageimage
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  • lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,873 ✭✭✭✭✭
    i would not store valuable coins near vinyl if you can help it
    maybe vapors form from the vinyl, do you want to find out?
    LCoopie = Les
  • atarianatarian Posts: 3,116 ✭
    Anyone have any experience with edgar marcus & co 2x2 ( 20 slots to a page) are these safe to put coins that are in 2x2s? Any negitive to this companys pages? Would really like to know before i use the few i have. thanks.
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  • tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I do agree that it is better to have no PVC around at all. I don't understand why PVC flips, etc are still made. what's the point? >>



    ...i agree. they should be eliminated from the market.
    "government is not reason, it is not eloquence-it is a force! like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." George Washington

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