Starting bid, 1 cent, $14.95 shipping. 1971 proof set
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he's new to the flea bay- let him get his feet wet, maybe he was hit by a tunado this past week and feels that the PO might go high in price just like gas!
All his junk is overpriced in shipping.
I nailed it as fee avoidance with the flea..
<< <i>Ken...
he's new to the flea bay- let him get his feet wet, maybe he was hit by a tunado this past week and feels that the PO might go high in price just like gas!
All his junk is overpriced in shipping.
I nailed it as fee avoidance with the flea.. >>
One thing to notice is most new e-bayers would not use auctiva. My best guess is he had too many negs, closed his account and is starting over.
I don't really have an issue with fee avoidance, for me I just calculate the shipping into the final price. In this case the shipping is more than I would pay total for that set so no bids for me.
<< <i>he's new to the flea bay- let him get his feet wet >>
At first blush I was thinking, yeah let him slide. But, he has another 1971 proof set listed at $15.99 BIN with free shipping. He knows exactly what he's doing.
Russ, NCNE
Perhaps it is ebay stockholders that feel the greatest need to make sure ebay gets every penny coming to them. --Jerry
<< <i>No need to report to Ebay. Just don't bid on his item if you don't like the shipping or anything else. What if he had a buy it now for $14.95 and free shipping, would it be better?
It's not the same. For one by making his profit on the shipping (and circumventing eBay fees) it allows the seller to gain an unfair advantage over other sellers that charge fair shipping and play by the rules since his profit margin is greater. Second, it puts the buyer in a position where the seller can play games with the buyer if he does not like the item and would like to return it (stating he will refund his original bid minus the inflated shipping cost).
Instead of reporting it and getting his auction nuked why not a nice friendly email telling him he is in violation of ebay policy and subject to gettting his auction pulled and loss of fee's, because a lot of people that do not work for ebay have a habit of looking at other peoples auctions for the sole purpose of reporting violations. Instead of going to ebay and costing him money.
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FEE AVOIDANCE- This point is always brought up in threads like this. Just a quick question cause i know some have the rules and fee scheldues memorized and ebay on speed dial. If you plan on selling a coin that everyone in the world would agree is worth 1500 dollars and always sells for 1500 dollars on ebay is it fee avoidance to list it as a 1 cent starting price vs. a starting price of 1000 dollars. The insertion fee would be a lot more starting at 1000 dollars compared to 1 cent or does the final value fee take that into consideration? Would the fees charged the seller end up exactly the same ?
NGC registry V-Nickel proof #6!!!!
working on proof shield nickels # 8 with a bullet!!!!
RIP "BEAR"
<< <i>FLbuffaloHunter- That is a valid point if items get returned.
FEE AVOIDANCE- This point is always brought up in threads like this. Just a quick question cause i know some have the rules and fee scheldues memorized and ebay on speed dial. If you plan on selling a coin that everyone in the world would agree is worth 1500 dollars and always sells for 1500 dollars on ebay is it fee avoidance to list it as a 1 cent starting price vs. a starting price of 1000 dollars. The insertion fee would be a lot more starting at 1000 dollars compared to 1 cent or does the final value fee take that into consideration? Would the fees charged the seller end up exactly the same ? >>
Care to show an example or two of this type of coin??
NGC registry V-Nickel proof #6!!!!
working on proof shield nickels # 8 with a bullet!!!!
RIP "BEAR"
<< <i>FLbuffaloHunter- That is a valid point if items get returned.
FEE AVOIDANCE- This point is always brought up in threads like this. Just a quick question cause i know some have the rules and fee scheldues memorized and ebay on speed dial. If you plan on selling a coin that everyone in the world would agree is worth 1500 dollars and always sells for 1500 dollars on ebay is it fee avoidance to list it as a 1 cent starting price vs. a starting price of 1000 dollars. The insertion fee would be a lot more starting at 1000 dollars compared to 1 cent or does the final value fee take that into consideration? Would the fees charged the seller end up exactly the same ? >>
If you are doing an auction and know an item will sell for $1,500, you would save on the insertion fee (which is based on the starting price) by starting at the lower price. The FVF is based on the final price at the end of the auction. In your example the insertion fee starting at 1 cent is 15 cents and starting at anything above $499.99 is $4.00 so you would save $3.85 in insertion fees by starting the auction at the lower price. The FVF is the same in both cases.
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working on proof shield nickels # 8 with a bullet!!!!
RIP "BEAR"
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<< <i>Well, in the seller's defense, he/she is from Southern California. I am too and just filled my car today at $4.29/gallon. Depending on how far the post office is from seller's home, what type of box/packaging, etc. $14.95 might not be too far above the actual cost of shipping! I think the IRS allows $.485/mile now. So 20 miles round trip would be nearly $10 in vehicle expenses alone! It is even more reasonable assuming the seller adds in a bit over cost for the value of their time. >>
The USPS picks up my shipments at my home. Why not So. Cal.???
<< <i>The USPS picks up my shipments at my home. Why not So. Cal.??? >>
Of course. I didn't mean to imply the seller couldn't do anything to reduce their actual expenses. Just throwing the argument that actual shipping & handling expenses can be pretty expensive.
Based on the other auctions of the seller referenced here, it does look like it's just fee circumvention though.
As a buyer, I really don't care at all. I just consider the total price I'm going to have to pay.
Michael Kittle Rare Coins --- 1908-S Indian Head Cent Grading Set --- No. 1 1909 Mint Set --- Kittlecoins on Facebook --- Long Beach Table 448
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<< <i>The USPS picks up my shipments at my home. Why not So. Cal.??? >>
Of course. I didn't mean to imply the seller couldn't do anything to reduce their actual expenses. Just throwing the argument that actual shipping & handling expenses can be pretty expensive.
Based on the other auctions of the seller referenced here, it does look like it's just fee circumvention though.
As a buyer, I really don't care at all. I just consider the total price I'm going to have to pay. >>
Would you care if the seller sends you an item significantly not as described and then tells you he is only going to refund your bid price minus the inflated shipping fees when you want to return it?
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<< <i>The USPS picks up my shipments at my home. Why not So. Cal.??? >>
Of course. I didn't mean to imply the seller couldn't do anything to reduce their actual expenses. Just throwing the argument that actual shipping & handling expenses can be pretty expensive.
Based on the other auctions of the seller referenced here, it does look like it's just fee circumvention though.
As a buyer, I really don't care at all. I just consider the total price I'm going to have to pay. >>
Would you care if the seller sends you an item significantly not as described and then tells you he is only going to refund your bid price minus the inflated shipping fees when you want to return it? >>
Some people care to only look after themselves.
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Would you care if the seller sends you an item significantly not as described and then tells you he is only going to refund your bid price minus the inflated shipping fees when you want to return it? >>
Absolutely! And very very good point!
Michael Kittle Rare Coins --- 1908-S Indian Head Cent Grading Set --- No. 1 1909 Mint Set --- Kittlecoins on Facebook --- Long Beach Table 448
<< <i>So what??? He is trying to get over on Ebay for a couple dollars. You guys reporting this stuff need to get a life. >>
You seem to talk out of your ass quite a bit!! Or, are you always a twofaced ass???
<< <i>Why does this need to be reported? >>
Excessive shipping.
"If it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander."
I happen to agree with the premise. I will not report the seller, but Ken does make a valid point as it pertains to "FAIR TRADING PRACTICES".
Is it right to do wrong ? Is it wrong to avoid paying ? If you can slip a metal slug into a machine to pay for your toll across a bridge, would you ? And if you knew someone was doing it, is it wrong to report it, knowing full well that your costs will increase because of the "avoidance to pay" in order to play ?
I'm trying to see both sides and not making a judgement on anyone or anything.
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I didn't look at it from that angle, good point. Pay your fee's like everyone else.
On the other hand, ebay uses coercive tactics to funnel people into using paypal and oversells any perceived benefits - at a cool 3% on top of final value fees.
And speaking of shipping costs - is it my imagination that ebay encourages sellers to pick up the majority of shipping costs "to enhance the likelihood of a higher selling price"? Is that my imagination?
Frankly, if my shipping charge comes in at or slightly below actual cost, it's none of ebay's damn business how much I charge for shipping. In fact, it's none of their business in any situation.
I knew it would happen.
Basicly this shipping charge is the same as "No returns".
--Jerry
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<< <i>Well, in the seller's defense, he/she is from Southern California. I am too and just filled my car today at $4.29/gallon. Depending on how far the post office is from seller's home, what type of box/packaging, etc. $14.95 might not be too far above the actual cost of shipping! I think the IRS allows $.485/mile now. So 20 miles round trip would be nearly $10 in vehicle expenses alone! It is even more reasonable assuming the seller adds in a bit over cost for the value of their time. >>
The USPS picks up my shipments at my home. Why not So. Cal.??? >>
Some people don't have mail delivery.........I don't. I have to go the post office, but it's only about 3 blocks away.
(that doesn't mean I don't think that it's excessive shipping and fee avoidance, just a little correction here.......most people are surprised that some places don't have mail delivery.)
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POTD - May 26, 2005
Also, UPS is not like the USPS where one can send an item for 1.50.
The guy is basically on the border IMO.
What I would need to know is how much does it cost to send that item via UPS?
Steve
Some people try to peer into the lives of others more then they should.
So all this hassel is about 40 cents or so.
<< <i>EBAY is filled with real scammers and thieves who will take YOU for big money if they can get it. This guy appears to be nothing other than a little guy, selling a cheap set of coins. This guy appears to be trying to save some money on EBAY fees (feed avoidance?). If you guys want to go running to the drones who run EBAY and tattle tail on guys like that, go ahead and have a good time. >>
That's not what you said here!!
Do you try to be a jack ass, or are you really one??