What do you think PCGS graded this 1921 S morgan? Grade revealed at end of post

PQMorgans

Please do not reveal the actual grade that can be checked online ,I am interested to see how many others thought the same as I did. I will post grade in a day or two. And yes it looks better in hand with really nice cartwheel.

Bruceswar

Looking at a red X?

coinkat

nice looking 21-s. I would grade it 64

Placid

I only see a red x

commoncents05

I see a red X.

-Paul

Coxe

I think it should be MS66. The die erosion, weak reverse periphery and mint mark are as struck. (Probably has a thin edge too.) There are a few incidental marks of no distraction. A nice example of the 1921 die production though not well struck. I think they would have docked it one to two points on the strike, something I find unsettling.

sweetwilliet

Looks MS65 to me.

Bobk

MS 65

cmerlo1

66

STONE

65 also

lcoopie

I think the strike may be weak, limiting your nice coin to 64

rev- wreath and breast

coinkat

65 would not surprise.

messydesk

64.

Slightly weak strike, good luster, light scuffs on cheek, neck, and above eye. Low-relief design of 21 Morgans (and perhaps evolved transportation?) means the bag marks have different characteristics than in earlier years.

DJCoinz

I see only a red x.

Bruceswar

MS66 if you ask me

Connecticoin

Very nice for a 21-S -- those usually look like crap.

I will say 65 shot 66.

If it is a 64, send it to NGC or sell it to me for 64 money.

Wolf359

Very clean fields, MS65. The weak strike might have put it in a 64 holder though.

doh

My first thought was 66, but I imagine with the price jump they put it in a 64 or 65 holder.

AnkurJ

65

MadMarty

I was going to say 65, but the coin lacks luster and that is a very tough date. MS64.

coolest

I'm not a Morgan $ guy, but I dont see how it could be less than MS65

jmcu12

For any 21 morgan to look good is a miracle, even in MS68 they are a mistake at best.

But I would say that this one is a 65+.

VamGuy

I think PCGS graded it MS64.

jmj3esq

MS64. It looks alot like one I used to own.

19Lyds

Is that circulation rub high on her cheek or what?

PQMorgans

19Lyds, Its in the mint frost and shows because of the size of the photo. This coin is very frosty.

dan8402

I would say 65 or 66, probably leaning more towards 65.

TwoSides2aCoin

...it's a high end 65 in my opinion. Don't know how PCGS graded it when they had it "in hand".

19Lyds

<< <i>19Lyds, Its in the mint frost and shows because of the size of the photo. This coin is very frosty. >>



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HonoluluDude

65

DennisH

Steve:

MS65... unless Larry sent it in, which with his luck brings MS64 into play.

Frankcoins

MS65, maybe 66

crypto79

I dont think any one would bat an eye if it came back AU58, It is one of the nicer 21-s i have seen but there are a million PQ ms58 coins out there that are a little rub away from near top pop

ModernDollarNut

I'm gradually learning Morgan grading from this forum (thanks be to PCGS). Unless there is a surprise (like Lee's ? about luster break), gots to be 65. I can see 66 hinging on a decent strike and thus in doubt. Rob

JrGMan2004

Looks like a 68 to me... very few marks (though the couple marks on the cheek are hard to see with the lighting)... with a coin this clean, I don't care if there's a little strike weakness, the rest of the coin carries it beyond a "64" as others have suggested for the weak strike and die erosion...






And now that I've looked up the grade, this is a great example of why not to trust pictures for grading... Pictures can be deceptive, especially in the hands of a very good photographer...

eagle7

Just a wild guess, MS66.

segoja

If the luster is as nice as we are told, a 66. My guess is they actually graded it a 65.

For those who called this a 64, please please sell me all your 64's. I'll pay 1.5 times bid for any 64 that look like this coin.

PerryHall

Very clean surfaces. At least a 65.

Coxe

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<< <i>19Lyds, Its in the mint frost and shows because of the size of the photo. This coin is very frosty. >>



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The 1921 dies were a different design and relief relative to the other dates.

Placid

I will guess pcgs graded it MS64.
Coin looks better but pcgs will probably be harsh because the chest feathers seem a little weak and price jump from 64/65/66

Tvac897

Definitely a red-x

PQMorgans

Ok, I bought this about 2 years ago in a PCGS rattler, I though it may upgrade from a 64. It did not so I cracked it out again and it just came back.... It's still a 64. Thanks for your in put because I think it could be in a 65 holder but doubt that it ever will be. I do enjoy this one though as it has great eye appeal and is as mark free as most ms 66. The rev strike is what is holding it back.

Coxe

That's how I saw it from your images. It is an attractive coin. My view is that it is a technical 66. Those spoonfed on a certain TPG's internal grading standards might buy a 64 or maybe 65 grade on it. Perhaps it should price like a PQ 64 on strike. This is why I hate TPGs market grading. They are not rendering a technical grading opinion as much as a market valuation opinion. Perhaps that is splitting hairs and people essentially want the latter anyway.

ibzman350

Nice 66





Herb

lcoopie

This is an example of how important strike is to the final grade

TwoSides2aCoin

Now that you posted the actual grade, I have a question.
...sounds like DR EVIL, but...
If a coin with a look like that can be enhanced with some of the "solutions" I've seen posted around here, wouldn't this be a perfect candidate for "bathing" in one of them in hopes for an upgrade ?

I would not do this, but just wanted to bring another ingredient (thought) for discussion into the recipe (box) .

Food fight !!!

coinkat

Unfortunately, I think this coin also reflects the problem with certain dates in terms of condition rarity and the value associated with the difference in price between 64 followed by 65 and then 66. The difference between 64 and 66 is likely 9,000 -10,000 for this coin... that is if you can even find a 66.

Your coin is terrific and is likely worth a second or third trip.

edited to add: I am not saying the coin is a 66... but for the date this coin as a 65 is not unreasonable