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and it's live....

This little window popped up when I went to leave feedback for a Butler auto I won:
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  • CDsNutsCDsNuts Posts: 10,092
    OMG I just received 58 negs from buyers; my ebay account is ruined!!!!!!!
  • And the sky has not fallen..
  • BarfvaderBarfvader Posts: 2,859 ✭✭✭✭
    I left feedback within the last hour and did not get that popup.
  • It went live for me about 20 minutes ago. I had to log back in on Ebay and it was live. My rating went from 99.8 to 99.4 in one swoop due to the neutrals being counted.
  • stevekstevek Posts: 30,211 ✭✭✭✭✭
    <<< Sellers can no longer leave negative or neutral Feedback for buyers. Buyers should leave honest Feedback without the fear of receiving negative or neutral ratings. Read more >>>

    It's official. No more negative feedback to buyers. Above is the seller header on the feedback page.

    And also all the transactions previous for which feedback hadn't been left yet, those also changed as well. If you have been in a heated problem with a buyer, and no feedback has been left yet, consider yourself to almost certainly be getting a neg.

    Ebay to me seems a little out of control right now, yet their stock price has been rising.



  • jrinckjrinck Posts: 1,321 ✭✭
    The fear of not getting what I paid for is much worse than the fear of getting a negative for complaining about it. Until Ebay can reasonably protect buyers in all types of payment types, the fraud is still going to be there.

    Just because you call someone an a-hole doesn't mean they're going to up and grow a conscience.
  • stevekstevek Posts: 30,211 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Aw, good ol' ebay is such a nice place for buyers now - No red F's on their report card anymore - every buyer who receives feedback gets a nice green A+ no matter how bad their behavior...and this is supposed to make ebay better. Ebay management is just so highly intelligent right now.
  • EagleEyeKidEagleEyeKid Posts: 4,496 ✭✭
    it'll be interesting to see some of the well known ahole sellers out there
    like shoelessjoejackson (kevin burge) get theirs for charging a ghost insurance scam
    get his.
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "Just because you call someone an a-hole doesn't mean they're going to up and grow a conscience. "

    //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////


    ALOT of the scamster-sellers will soon be gone.

    BUT, until EBAY makes it impossible for the crooks to register a new ID,
    many of the bad guys will keep coming back.

    Scamster-buyers will now become the primary problem.

    ANY seller that falls below 95% CSR - in any 30-day period - is now subject to a 30-day suspension.
    (Neutrals = Negs.) Not all such sellers will be suspended; some will only be warned. ALL will have their
    PayPal payments held.

    I can adjust to any scheme that allows me to make money. Some new folks will not be able to play.




    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • For the honest new sports card sellers, any listing they have will be perceived as a scam now. Been that way for a while now anyway, but I assume that perception will only intensify now. New sellers will not survive because of the inevitable negs they will receive.
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    Because virtually ALL new sellers will have their PayPal funds held for 21-days,
    buyers will be at little risk.

    The newest/pending crop of Mantle scamsters should be out of business.

    We will see more and more "reputable" sellers offering junk Mantles that
    were purchased wholesale from scammers. Many sellers cannot even identify
    a tampered slab; they will be passing-on their mistakes.
    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • EagleEyeKidEagleEyeKid Posts: 4,496 ✭✭
    Storm,
    Please explain this to me.

    Just checked my score and the one auction I'm running.
    15 minutes ago, my total feedback was 3164 at 99.6%
    It is now 4421 with 100%. I'm assuming it's from the repeat
    buyers, but my overall before was in the mid 5500. I'm not complaining, I just don't
    understand it.
  • gumbyfangumbyfan Posts: 5,168 ✭✭✭
    All of your previous feedback from multiple transactions with the same buyer are now added into your total score.


  • << <i>All of your previous feedback from multiple transactions with the same buyer are now added into your total score. >>



    cool. mine went from 477 to 537
    White Whales:
    1996 Select Certified Mirror Gold Ozzie Smith
    2006 Bowman Chrome Orange Refractor Chris Carpenter
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "Just checked my score and the one auction I'm running.
    15 minutes ago, my total feedback was 3164 at 99.6%
    It is now 4421 with 100%. I'm assuming it's from the repeat
    buyers, but my overall before was in the mid 5500. I'm not complaining, I just don't
    understand it. "

    ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    Repeat customers are being added in, today. The process will take several
    days to complete.

    New % is based on 12-months; not lifetime. That is why you went from
    99.6 to 100.

    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • leathtechleathtech Posts: 3,191
    Sweet I'm back to 100% and over 1,000 transactions... That 1 lone bs neg is now gone image
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  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    I went from 751 and 99.9% to 1051 And 100%


    I'll wait and see how all this goes b4 I make any statements.


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • My feedback % went down to 99.4 nothing else has changed.

    I noticed Bargainland has not sold anything in a while on Ebay. I wonder how import-export-co and a few others will survive myself.
  • sayheykid54sayheykid54 Posts: 779 ✭✭
    Bargainland's feedback is now 91.3% with so many negatives its unbelievable!
  • It was actually 88.7 before the new changes.
  • elsnortoelsnorto Posts: 2,012 ✭✭
    Holy cow! I just went from 4397 to 5199 and got me a spiffy new green star to boot... finally chicks will dig me.

    It will be interesting, as others have said, to check in on some of our less stellar sellers to see how they fare under the new feedback system.

    Snorto~
  • my feedback jumped 20 points and im now 100%..... well see how long this lasts till some dipwad ruins it lol.
  • CDsNutsCDsNuts Posts: 10,092
    Before I had 948, now I shot up to 485,960. I now have a crystalized titanium onyx star.


    Edit: I am also now considered a god in many cultures.
  • gameusedhoopgameusedhoop Posts: 3,633 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Edit: I am also now considered a god in many cultures. >>



    It's just unfortunate that none of them are on this planet. image
  • 8irvin88irvin8 Posts: 173
    Lee, you will always be a God to me.
  • Ebay has become a big joke. Not only do sellers have no protection any longer, but Ebay continues to rake in more cash with the so-called new fees to help Ebay sellers. WOW they dropped the listing fees a couple of cents, but forgot to tell everyone they raised the final value fees up 5 to 8% or whatever it is. So now we all save 5 cents off the listing and get charged an additional $5 $10 $15 or whatever it might be in final value fees. To me that sounds like Ebay fattening their pockets, not helping sellers reduce cost.


  • << <i>Ebay has become a big joke. Not only do sellers have no protection any longer, but Ebay continues to rake in more cash with the so-called new fees to help Ebay sellers. WOW they dropped the listing fees a couple of cents, but forgot to tell everyone they raised the final value fees up 5 to 8% or whatever it is. So now we all save 5 cents off the listing and get charged an additional $5 $10 $15 or whatever it might be in final value fees. To me that sounds like Ebay fattening their pockets, not helping sellers reduce cost. >>



    Nobody is forcing anyone to sell on Ebay. My sales on Ebay the past 3 months have never been better. As a seller you will adjust or die.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Nobody is forcing anyone to sell on Ebay. My sales on Ebay the past 3 months have never been better. As a seller you will adjust or die.


    Yup


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭
    Why are some saying that eBay isn't safe to sell on with these changes? You still get paid before you ship and if you are doing the things that you're supposed to be doing, then there shouldn't be any problems.

    It's the sellers that overgrade or oversell their product and service and then underdeliver on said goods and service that are the ones that will get pounded. And the only thing they'll be getting is the sort of feedback they should've been getting all along. Unfortunately, many extorted their feedback ratings by holding back until they received a positive from the buyer. The threat of a retalitory feedback is now gone, so lame sellers will now receive the sort of feedback they should've received eons ago!

    I was also surprised when I checked my feedback jump today. It escalated nearly 200 "points" at 100%! However, I am NOT considered a god by any civilization. I'll have to work on that!
  • It's the sellers that overgrade or oversell their product and service and then underdeliver on said goods and service that are the ones that will get pounded. And the only thing they'll be getting is the sort of feedback they should've been getting all along. Unfortunately, many extorted their feedback ratings by holding back until they received a positive from the buyer. The threat of a retalitory feedback is now gone, so lame sellers will now receive the sort of feedback they should've received eons ago!

    The problem is there are just as many if not more scamming buyers out there. This will open the door for them to become more aggressive. Either you give me a refund of 10.00 for this card or I neg you. You will ship it for free or i will neg you. Sellers have no way of warning ithers of these buyers any more.
  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Ebay has become a big joke. Not only do sellers have no protection any longer, but Ebay continues to rake in more cash with the so-called new fees to help Ebay sellers. WOW they dropped the listing fees a couple of cents, but forgot to tell everyone they raised the final value fees up 5 to 8% or whatever it is. So now we all save 5 cents off the listing and get charged an additional $5 $10 $15 or whatever it might be in final value fees. To me that sounds like Ebay fattening their pockets, not helping sellers reduce cost. >>



    What are you complaining for? You don't have to use eBay. You don't have to use any service that you are unhappy with. Create you own website. Pay a fortune to advertise, generate traffic, and maintain the site. Eventually, you might even sell something from the site. Or pay the table fees to set up at a local show and see how many people are shelling out significant coin in the basement of the local church or in the back room of the firehouse.

    eBay, just like PSA, is a publicly held company and their primary objective is to produce to the bottom line. They aren't particularly worried about their customer (buyers or sellers). They are worried about increasing their revenue and minimizing their expenses.

    The increased fees by eBay, and PSA, are to be expected. Gas prices increase almost daily, the postal rates went up again and just about everything is more expensive today that it was a year ago. Expecting eBay to maintain the status quo so that you or anyone else can have more money in their pocket is the least of their worries. Sorry, but those are the facts!
  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The problem is there are just as many if not more scamming buyers out there. This will open the door for them to become more aggressive. Either you give me a refund of 10.00 for this card or I neg you. You will ship it for free or i will neg you. Sellers have no way of warning ithers of these buyers any more. >>



    I can understand such a scenario and I'm sure that it happens, but in my nearly 10 years on eBay and through 1000's of transactions, I have NEVER had that situation occur. I have never had a buyer question or complain about ANYTHING I've sold. Maybe I've been lucky and those types don't buy the stuff that I sell. Maybe I've just been lucky enough to have them ignore my auctions.

    I'm sure there will come a day when that happens, but if I'm in the right, I'll take the hit. If I'm in the wrong, I'll make it right by the buyer. I still think it's pretty simple and I think many are making mountains out of molehills...
  • CDsNutsCDsNuts Posts: 10,092
    Most people just don't like change, whether it's for the better, worse, or just a lateral movement. Remember when the sky was falling because of the half grade system? Somehow the grading industry managed to survive.
  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Most people just don't like change. >>



    Change? I hate change. Especially when there's a lot of it and it's slamming around in my pocket when I'm running somewhere smacking the ol' hackey sack and giblets... That's really something not to like!
  • larryallen73larryallen73 Posts: 6,069 ✭✭✭
    Cool. I just jumped from 880 or so, feedback, to 950 or so! Still 100%... at least so far!
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "You still get paid before you ship and if you are doing the things that you're supposed to be doing, then there shouldn't be any problems. "

    //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    Actually, new sellers will NOT get paid before they ship.

    PayPal will hold those payments for 21-days.

    EBAY will look ALOT different 90-days from now.

    /////////////////////////

    Personal Notes:

    My primary collectible account added about 15% to the total.
    100% maintained. (That low increase is a strong testament to my long history
    of moving buyers off of EBAY after their FIRST purchase from me.)

    My electronics, used clothing, and designer fashion accounts
    added about 10% to their totals. ALL fell below 96%. (Selling
    used clothing and "hurt" electronics is a different game than
    dealing with more-or-less reasonable collectors. NEGs are
    part of the biz-model.) Since PayPal has been holding my money
    on designer and electronics, there should be no immediate
    change to biznez. If they start holding the used-clothing money, so
    be it; I ain't giving up a free money deal.

    I have not determined how I will play the new FB game. Today, I left a
    TON for folks who had not left any for me. We will see how that works,
    and adjust if necessary.
    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • gumbyfangumbyfan Posts: 5,168 ✭✭✭
    I have Auctiva set up to automatically leave feedback once feedback is left for me. I don't sell as much as I used to mainly because I don't open much, if any, new product anymore. I had a few stragglers who haven't left me feedback yet so I went through today and left feedback for all of them manually as I do every few weeks or so when I have a little extra time. I noticed that the two options are Positive and I will leave feedback later. Below that, though, is a link to "Report a problem you had with this transaction."

    I clicked on the link to see where it would take me and it popped up a new window with the following:

    We’ll investigate the problem and try to resolve it for you.
    To continue, please choose one of the options below.

    Unpaid Item
    You didn’t receive payment for an item you sold on eBay. Learn more

    Feedback Extortion
    The buyer is threatening to leave negative or neutral Feedback for you unless you provide goods or services not included in your original listing. Learn more

    Feedback Abuse
    The buyer included your name or phone number in a Feedback comment or is bidding on your item solely to leave you negative Feedback. Learn more

    Unwelcome and Malicious Buying
    The buyer does not meet the terms you’ve outlined in your listing and is not permitted to bid on or buy the item. Learn more

    Customs Fraud
    The buyer is requesting you to provide false information on a customs declaration form. Learn more

    Report Another Problem
    Get help with other eBay transaction problems or safety concerns.



    It's a nice idea and hopefully sellers will use it if they encounter any of the strange activity that some have been predicting. More importantly, hopefully ebay will actually do something when sellers use this feature.
  • Wonder how much this sellers FB changed, one of the worst sellers on eBay;

    azestatesales

  • sayheykid54sayheykid54 Posts: 779 ✭✭
    I was happy with my April Ebay sales totaling $6075.00. Then I noticed that my Ebay/Paypal fees totaled $935.00. What a chunk of change, it ends up being over 15% of my gross sales.
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I was happy with my April Ebay sales totaling $6075.00. Then I noticed that my Ebay/Paypal fees totaled $935.00. What a chunk of change, it ends up being over 15% of my gross sales. >>



    ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    One can buy a TON of google/yahoo ads to send folks to their own
    BEAUTIFUL website for that kind of money.

    It depends on what you sell, as to whether or not a private site will work.
    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • SDavidSDavid Posts: 1,584 ✭✭
    <<Actually, new sellers will NOT get paid before they ship.

    PayPal will hold those payments for 21-days.

    EBAY will look ALOT different 90-days from now.>>

    Yup. The problem with the new feedback isn't the banishment of negs from sellers. It's all of the other policies that surround it, such as being suspended or having your paypal funds held if your approval drops below 95% over a 30 day period. And then there's the 'best match' thing (which, BTW, I detest as a *buyer*).

    Also, if profits are their main interest, then why base so many rewards/punishments on their frivolous feedback system and those ridiculous little stars? A smarter approach would be to reward sellers with high conversion rates, sales volumes, and/or repeat buyers. It wouldn't be that hard to develop a system to reward the most efficient and profitable sellers. Real businesses do it all the time.

    I get the feeling that the people who run ebay have never worked for one.
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