Alex Rodriguez vs. Jose Canseco... in 6 years
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The best thing that ever happened to baseball (ok. besides Aaron/Babe etc) ..... Jose Canseco....... He mentioned Alex in his latest book. Jose did not get in to specifics. He's got a plan. Jose recently stated... 'the time is not right' when referring to busting Alex. When Alex gets close to the HR record, Jose's time will come. Will be just like a Bonds/Clemens situation.
If you are a Jose hater... has he stated anything that has not proven to be accurate and true yet ? Yeah, he got booted from baseball coolness... but he chose the right path. BUST ALL HIS CHEATIN BROTHERS ! Why not. Jose is God.
I dig it.
Go Pujols, Griffey Jr and the almighty.. Aaron.
I now dig my new 1973 PSA 4 Mays, more than my 1973 PSA 5 Off Center Franco Harris. I failed at having a baby with my franco card, so Willie.. your time has come.. Let's Rock Tonight !
kevin
If you are a Jose hater... has he stated anything that has not proven to be accurate and true yet ? Yeah, he got booted from baseball coolness... but he chose the right path. BUST ALL HIS CHEATIN BROTHERS ! Why not. Jose is God.
I dig it.
Go Pujols, Griffey Jr and the almighty.. Aaron.
I now dig my new 1973 PSA 4 Mays, more than my 1973 PSA 5 Off Center Franco Harris. I failed at having a baby with my franco card, so Willie.. your time has come.. Let's Rock Tonight !
kevin
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I now dig my new 1973 PSA 4 Mays, more than my 1973 PSA 5 Off Center Franco Harris. I failed at having a baby with my franco card, so Willie.. your time has come.. Let's Rock Tonight !
kevin >>
<< <i>This is more confusing than my 1000th post giveaway contest. >>
Up to this point, Canseco has told us some truthful info about steroid usage in MLB. All of the guys he has accused, has came to pass as accurate. Pathetic frauds like Clemens and Palmeiro could at least try to learn a bit from Canseco. They lie, they know that we know they are lying, and they still continue..
Is some of Canseco's money making tactics a little sleezy? Yeah, but what about those frauds that he has outed? They are not choir boys, either.
I have a simple answer on how to clean up this whole steriod and HGH mess. Appoint Hank Aaron as baseball commissioner and Frank Robinson in charge of disciplinary action. Not only will they clean up the game but they would also clean up the record books as well!!!
<< <i>Funny some of you call Canseco a joke, yet, he is outing the frauds that alot of people worship.
Up to this point, Canseco has told us some truthful info about steroid usage in MLB. All of the guys he has accused, has came to pass as accurate. Pathetic frauds like Clemens and Palmeiro could at least try to learn a bit from Canseco. They lie, they know that we know they are lying, and they still continue..
Is some of Canseco's money making tactics a little sleezy? Yeah, but what about those frauds that he has outed? They are not choir boys, either. >>
I agree that Canseco is a joke, I also agree that the people implicated are also jokes. Jose is scum, and for those that associated with scum, this is what you get. If you think that Jose is being honest about everything, give me a break. Jose does what benefits Jose, truth or lies whichever works at the time. Just so happens that outing people benefitted him, not the game at the time. So let's not give the scum any kudos for what he has done.
As for the OP, get a grip!!!
Also, Canseco says that he doesn't think that Clemens ever juiced, and is 100% in Clemens corner.
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<< <i>Go Pujols, Griffey Jr and the almighty.. Aaron. >>
What makes you so sure Pujols never juiced, and isn't still on HGH? I'm not saying he did/does performance enhancing drugs, but I certainly would not be surprised either way.
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<< <i>Go Pujols, Griffey Jr and the almighty.. Aaron. >>
What makes you so sure Pujols never juiced, and isn't still on HGH? I'm not saying he did/does performance enhancing drugs, but I certainly would not be surprised either way. >>
Pujols is clean, and has been that way from the start of his career. If you truly understand the man, and what his life is about, you will know this. There might not be a more decent human being playing MLB right now, than Albert Pujols. I'm not speaking of the on field performance, but the man and what inspires his life away from the field.
I will say that Pujols and Griffey may be 2 of the very few big time superstars in this steroid/ped era, that have done it on pure God given talent, from day one.
<< <i>Yeah financially it works out great for him each time he does that. >>
Not enough to keep his mansion!!
This Era is the "Era of the Home Gym", thats why every team has bigger players now (ie. Pujols, ARod) ..... Its the home gym, special strict high protein diets and added vitamins and energy supplements, that make this Era's extra high power numbers. Modern Players take care of their bodies far more than they did back in the 1950-70s. Modern Players drink far less, get more sleep, and dont smoke like most of their predecessors did.
Just think what type of ball player DiMaggio could have been if he laid off that 2 packs a day habit, cut out all the booze and swinging, and lifted some weights for a change. Some Weight Lifting would have helped Ted "beanpole" Williams hit 800+ HRs too.
PS they did their share of drugs back in the 50s-70s too, Mantle and the like were all popping "greenies" before the games
(greenies = amphetamines)
<< <i>Also, Canseco says that he doesn't think that Clemens ever juiced, and is 100% in Clemens corner. >>
Yup.
/s/ JackWESq
<< <i>Is it just me, or does anyone else get the feeling that AROD breaking Bonds' career HR record is not quite the "done deal" as it once may have been? As it stands, AROD needs 240 to tie, 241 to break.
/s/ JackWESq >>
It will be tough to doespecially if he gets to 800+ HR's which is possible, not to mention without the HGH a lot of these guys are going to start to lose their power in their late 30's.
<< <i>Clemens, as it is turning out, is not only a liar and a cheater but an adulturer as well. >>
No he's not. Jose Canseco said he wasn't. And ANYTHING Canseco says is true.
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<< <i>Also, Canseco says that he doesn't think that Clemens ever juiced, and is 100% in Clemens corner. >>
Yup.
I am really amazed how many people on this forum want to continue to praise Canseco as some person of truth...with regards to what he said in his books, without having read them.
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
<< <i>The TRUTH about Canseco is, he had a Home Run ball BOUNCE off his head and over the fence. Now THAT's funny. >>
<< <i>found a previous thread on Jose Canseco.. mentioning A-Rod.. another Jose Canseco fan exists ! >>
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lol, Mantle was drunk and an adulterer too.
Sadly these guys are not heroes.
Steve
Greg Maddux
Derek Jeter
Frank Thomas
Ken Griffey, Jr.
David Arias-Ortiz
5 that you will find on the list when it is finally released (contrary to the belief of some on these boards):
Magglio Ordonez
Miguel Cabrera
Albert Pujols
Todd Helton
Andruw Jones
<< <i>5 names you won't find on the list of 104:
Greg Maddux
Derek Jeter
Frank Thomas
Ken Griffey, Jr.
David Arias-Ortiz
5 that you will find on the list when it is finally released (contrary to the belief of some on these boards):
Magglio Ordonez
Miguel Cabrera
Albert Pujols
Todd Helton
Andruw Jones >>
<< <i>Doesn't Pujols escape trouble since the Statute of Limitations has run out? He was 22 at the time the tests were taken, and he's now 37. Surely 15 years is too long to get penalized for it?? >>
This is a much tougher courtroom, public opinion.
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
<< <i>Doesn't Pujols escape trouble since the Statute of Limitations has run out? He was 22 at the time the tests were taken, and he's now 37. Surely 15 years is too long to get penalized for it?? >>
lol
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Frank Thomas was a college football player in the 80's, when steroids were rampant in that sport. I think it is likely he started his MLB career on them. Yeah, Thomas said he wanted testing(I think that is just a good cover)... Palmeiro stared in the face of congress and told them he never took them, and wagged his finger at them LOL. Why do you guys believe these men so much?
Bonds fans used to be the biggest backers of him and constantly said no way...where is the proof....he just worked hard, blah, blah, blah.
Jeter fans, that scrawny kid got pretty strong himself. He doesn't look like a hulk, but his frame isn't built like that. You can enhance strength with steroids and not look like a hulk.
Nomar? Ever since he posed on that cover with his muscles showing, that was the first thing I thought...that dude is juicing.
These guys say the same thing about Pujols.
Jeter gets no pass either.
Just because Thomas said there should be testing, does not mean he was clean. Barry Bonds said, "test me right now" because he knew his stuff would not be found in the tests they had.
MLB has had a culture of lies. Their only consistent trait has been lying. Everyone of these guys that have been caught have flat out said that there is no way there were doing them. People believed them too. I don't know why people believed them, but they did.
Frank Thomas not hitting 50 HR isn't a reason either. He was a great on base guy with a great average too. He was better than the guys hitting 50HR. I am sure he could have sacrificed his on base ability and hit a few more HR, but then he would have been a lesser hitter.
<< <i>5 names you won't find on the list of 104:
Greg Maddux
Derek Jeter
Frank Thomas
Ken Griffey, Jr.
David Arias-Ortiz
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I disagree with Maddux. Take a look at his rookie card. Then take a look at his 1998 cards. His legs grew twice as big.
He was probably getting injections in his legs the same way Clemens was. You have to look at the legs of these guys, not
just the upper body. With pitchers, it's all about the legs.
The only evidence I have is that the MLB players association has breeded a culture of liars. I don't know how anybody can believe a word out of their mouths when they say they didn't do it. This same MLB players association has gone out of their way to avoid having any testing done to them, and when it was brought to congress they agreed to a weak policy of testing where getting past it is quite easy.
Jeter and Thomas are a part of this association of liars, and I have no credence in what they say.
So actually, YOU are going by a gut feeling when saying those guys are clean. I am going by the fact that they belong to a culture of liars and an era of rampant use. With Thomas coming from College Football, it lends even more cause.
Thomas is a big strong guy, and Jeter is stronger as well. Plus steroids aren't always going to make you a hulk. So even guys like Maddux could easily be on them.
They all made their beds by hiding from tests and avoiding them...they all have to sleep in them. You can use your gut and say Jeter or Thomas never did it, I am using the culture of liars of which they are part of to base mine on.
If those guys were to come forward and submit to blood tests on a grand scale, and to lead a cause for REAL testing, then maybe I would believe them. Of course, Thomas is basically done, so he would pass now.
That number isn't quite 100%, but it is quite close for these late 90's/early 2000's players, of some PED use.
No comprehension issues. I'm just not a homer. I don't have blind faith in these 'heroes'.
Jeter and Thomas could both be physical and statistical suspects as well. It isn't just guilt by association. THough they are/were a BIG part of that association and I am sure would have much clout had they flexed a true desire for REAL testing...but maybe they had something to hide as well
I seriously doubt that Maddux or Jeter took them. I have no opinion on Junior, but I pray that he hasn't.
Now, if you were to say that you had daily footage of Frank Thomas's doings in everyday life, multple blood tests showing no traces of PED's, and no trace of implications by others, then you have something like I promote. If I were to dispute THIS type of evidence, then you would be allowed to make an analogy to when I get over people for using their gut. Otherwise, the analogy you used is not even close my friend.
The evidence I use is EVERY at bat of players, in all situations...every at bat in MLB since 1958...and there is even film study of every defensive play and such. When somebody uses a 'gut' to dispute that, you bet I will get all over them, especially since 99% of their gut is because of being a homer, or simply lacking the knowledge.
If you go back years to all the thread about Bonds, look at how people didn't believe there was any way he was on them either. Arod too.
People bring up Thomas and say, "He was big already." So what. He probably juiced in college like most college football players at that time.
And because Thomas said that steroids shouldn't be used, are we to believe that he was sincere, or that it was/is a good cover? Looking at the culture of MLB, i say good cover. If he had nothing to hide, and was such the crusader that people claim, then he should have offered blood tests yearly to show he was clean. Instead, he and the union wanted nothing to do with testing.
It is quite easy to say that steroids should be banned when he knows that there is no way for people to test him and catch him.