Dave Bushing fed up and leaves the hobby

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Dave Bushing leaves hobby

ElectricPrune

Wow, over a Lew Krausse unifrom. Who would have guessed?

Pete14Rose

Good for him, for speaking up. I agree with what he said about them sitting like spiders. With the exception of one or two respected people over there that have true knowledge of the game used side of things, GUU is full of clowns.


Anyway, just my .02




Jay

WinPitcher

Did he take his Joe Dimaggio bat with him?


Steve

edmundfitzgerald

Giving grades to game used uniforms is strange to me.

I have football jerseys with rips and marks. I have hockey jerseys with burns and puck marks.
A game used item is supposed to be beat up to a small or large degree.

They are actually grading these based on stains ? Sounds strange to me, but to each their own.

jrinck

An authenticator should NEVER sell that which he authenticates.

It's just way too much of a conflict-of-interest.

If you choose to be a professional authenticator, then choose to be professional.

SportsItUpCards

I'm quitting the hobby over him leaving it!

Giovanni

gumbyfan

<< <i>I'm quitting the hobby over him leaving it!

Giovanni >>



...and the board too! Don't forget to quit this message board, too!

justmichael

Does anyone think Alan is really Dave Bushing?

ripkenintheminors

After nearly getting burned on a game used jersey that was never worn by said player, I've lost interest in the game used market. I have a couple of pieces here and there, but I've lost a lot of confidence in that market.

stevek

Vintage memorabilia is such a pathetic scam for the most part, and it has been for a long time. I'm not specifically accusing them of anything, but say the Dimaggio estate could go into an antique shop, buy some of those broken vintage bats which sometimes sell for $10, and just say that Joe used the bat in a game, and next thing you know those bat chips are in a game used bat Dimaggio card - and whoTF is going to know otherwise? Same scam goes for jerseys as well.

fandango

<< <i>Vintage memorabilia is such a pathetic scam for the most part, and it has been for a long time. I'm not specifically accusing them of anything, but say the Dimaggio estate could go into an antique shop, buy some of those broken vintage bats which sometimes sell for $10, and just say that Joe used the bat in a game, and next thing you know those bat chips are in a game used bat Dimaggio card - and whoTF is going to know otherwise? Same scam goes for jerseys as well. >>




why would the Dimaggio estate, in your example, want to soil his name or reputation by providing items that arent authentic...

steve, you are very pessimistic when it comes to GU items, but many items, including historical ones, have been authenticated by Photo matching...Photos dont lie, unlike people....

yes a lot of the stuff may be fake, but you cant call it all fake....dont be so negative....

i am currently working on a GU project and i use MicroFilm to prove the authenticity if the item....when i find what im looking for, you cant say my item is fake because you feel like it....The Proof is in the Pudding....

JTB

The most shocking thing about this is that Tuff Stuff still exists. Who knew?

blades3

edmundfitzgerald: the grading of game-used items actually makes very good sense. they grade the items based upon the strength of the item and how closely they can link it to the player. if a bat has significant use and certain player characteristics, like his number on the knob, tape in a certain pattern on the knob, etc. that links directly to the player, the bat gets a high grade. being covered in pine tar or something like that is actually a bonus. as for uniforms if it shows very little use, the grade is lower. it's not like cards at all, with game-used stuff you want the item to be a little messed up with plenty of game use showing.

jrinck: i'm not sure it was ever bushing's choice to do authentication. he's just so damn good at it that everyone wanted their stuff with a bushing cert. He'll be happier as a normal dealer. There aren't a lot of people who can do what he does so the demand for him was always there. I'm guessing that if someone at PSA paid you a pile of money to grade cards, you would still grade and sell graded cards, right? Most of the people on here would.

ripkenintheminors: this is exactly why you should be upset bushing is leaving the authentication game. he was the best in the hobby at this and if you got an item authenticated by him, you wouldn't have to worry about it coming back to burn you. he has always had a money-back guarantee with his work. when it came with a bushing cert, you could count on it being good. it's the same reason you buy a psa-graded card, because you have confidence it's accurate. there are always exceptions to both of these, but 99% of the time that's the case.

stevek

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<< <i>Vintage memorabilia is such a pathetic scam for the most part, and it has been for a long time. I'm not specifically accusing them of anything, but say the Dimaggio estate could go into an antique shop, buy some of those broken vintage bats which sometimes sell for $10, and just say that Joe used the bat in a game, and next thing you know those bat chips are in a game used bat Dimaggio card - and whoTF is going to know otherwise? Same scam goes for jerseys as well. >>




why would the Dimaggio estate, in your example, want to soil his name or reputation by providing items that arent authentic...

steve, you are very pessimistic when it comes to GU items, but many items, including historical ones, have been authenticated by Photo matching...Photos dont lie, unlike people....

yes a lot of the stuff may be fake, but you cant call it all fake....dont be so negative....

i am currently working on a GU project and i use MicroFilm to prove the authenticity if the item....when i find what im looking for, you cant say my item is fake because you feel like it....The Proof is in the Pudding.... >>




<<< yes a lot of the stuff may be fake, but you cant call it all fake....dont be so negative >>>

We agree, and I shouldn't be "negative" when as you also agree that "A LOT" of the stuff may be fake. But it's not "may be" fake - a lot of the stuff is fake and I think you know that. I never said "all" of it was fake - Who the heck would ever say all of it is fake? That would be silly to say that, but the bottom line is that most vintage memorabilia is such a phony pathetic ripoff that it's not even funny.

BTW - phony wooden chips are nothing new - it has been said that enough wooden chips from Christ's cross have been sold by charlatans over the past 2,000 years that could build a fleet of ships. You wanna trust the new charlatans selling vintage sports memorabilia then you go right ahead - I don't trust 'em.


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jrinck

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jrinck: i'm not sure it was ever bushing's choice to do authentication. he's just so damn good at it that everyone wanted their stuff with a bushing cert. He'll be happier as a normal dealer. There aren't a lot of people who can do what he does so the demand for him was always there. I'm guessing that if someone at PSA paid you a pile of money to grade cards, you would still grade and sell graded cards, right? Most of the people on here would.
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I respect him for making his decision. He no longer has such an obvious conflict-of-interest. He did the right thing.

stevek

<<< i am currently working on a GU project and i use MicroFilm to prove the authenticity if the item....when i find what im looking for, you cant say my item is fake because you feel like it....The Proof is in the Pudding.... >>>

Also - I'd like to see the results of your microfilm proof when you have it - post it here with pics if you wish, or post a link to a website with that has the results, and if you can stand the heat...I'll give you my opinion of it, good or bad.

carew4me

And the hobby lets out a collective yawn....

The guy is pouting, taking his ball and going home..

%99 of the time that means the people calling him out are correct.

ripkenintheminors

ripkenintheminors: this is exactly why you should be upset bushing is leaving the authentication game. he was the best in the hobby at this and if you got an item authenticated by him, you wouldn't have to worry about it coming back to burn you. he has always had a money-back guarantee with his work. when it came with a bushing cert, you could count on it being good. it's the same reason you buy a psa-graded card, because you have confidence it's accurate. there are always exceptions to both of these, but 99% of the time that's the case.

I wasn't specifically calling Bushing out on this one. However, after reading about the money back guarantee, should collectors who shelled out big money for a Bushing LOA expect to have any hope of getting a refund in the future?

The game used market is a hir or miss, and even "experts" can't definitively label something as legit unless they know the source and/or story from the person holding the jersey. In my case, it was what I would call a very reputable company that has contracts with lots of high end athletes. The jersey was a fraud and that was that. Fortunately I was able to get my money back.

blades3

<< <i>And the hobby lets out a collective yawn....

The guy is pouting, taking his ball and going home..

%99 of the time that means the people calling him out are correct. >>



Unfortunately, this falls into that one percent. If you are into game-used items this is a pretty big deal. If you are into graded cards, I'm sure you are yawning, but then again, you shouldn't be posting on this thread if that's all you collect. Now we have to depend on guys like Lou Lampson, who does everything from memory and doesn't guarantee anything. Or we can attempt to do our own research, but guys like Bushing have done this their entire lives and have photo databases and knowledge that the average guy can't come close to. Go ahead and try to authenticate some game-used jersey or bat from the 1950s and you'll quickly see why we need Bushing.

gumbyfan

<< <i>Does anyone think Alan is really Dave Bushing? >>



+1

BobaFett72

"why would the Dimaggio estate, in your example, want to soil his name or reputation by providing items that arent authentic..."

easy= $$$$

anytime you destroy real memorabilia and stick it on a piece of cardboard and call it "game used" it's sham.