My guess is that we will see ALOT of this after May.
There are already folks on the EBAY boards encouraging lawsuits against bad buyers who leave NEGs.
The fact is that EBAY will remove the most obviously defamatory FB. The rest of the stuff is just folks' opinions of the transaction, and one would be hard-pressed to find a judge that would see simple NEGs as grounds for a win.
IF somebody acts with malice, however, the outcome might be different. There is already talk of folks in certain competitive categories striving to ruin their competition. It is pretty easy to do now that the PSer discounts are based on DSRs.
I can buy an item a week from a seller, leave no FB or POS FB, and KILL the sellers DSRs to the point that he will lose hundreds of dollars in FVF rebates.
The wars have not even started yet.
Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
It's a sad state in America when a story like this is even possible. I don't understand how a case like this could evrn get to court in the first place. Ridiculous.
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<< <i>It's a sad state in America when a story like this is even possible. I don't understand how a case like this could even get to court in the first place. Ridiculous. >>
<< <i>The fact is that EBAY will remove the most obviously defamatory feedback >>
Actually, this is not true. Ebay's policies specifically state that they will not remove feedback absent a ruling from a judge stating that the feedback in question is libelious or defamatory.
If Ebay put more effort into monitoring feedback and/or developed their own system that allowed people to challenge wrongful negs, then people would not even need to think about going to the courts for redress.
"As for person who hauled Shellhorn into court because he was worried about his reputation? We just learned he's a wanted sex offender in North Carolina."
<< <i>The fact is that EBAY will remove the most obviously defamatory feedback >>
Actually, this is not true. Ebay's policies specifically state that they will not remove feedback absent a ruling from a judge stating that the feedback in question is libelious or defamatory.
If Ebay put more effort into monitoring feedback and/or developed their own system that allowed people to challenge wrongful negs, then people would not even need to think about going to the courts for redress. >>
There are several reasons Ebay will remove feedback without a judges order.
If the feedback left is vulgar or in bad taste.
If the feedback mentiones anything about law enforcemnt being involved
If it contains a web address
If it was clear it was left with malicious intent, like a buyer buys 50 items from my store and immediatly negs me on all 50 items
Starting May 19th if the poster of the feedback is NARU'ed their feedback will be removed, right now if the member is suspended within 90 days their feedback is removed. I had 2 positives taken from me for this reason a few weeks ago.
You can also get it removed by paying like 25.00 to square trade.
"Actually, this is not true. Ebay's policies specifically state that they will not remove feedback absent a ruling from a judge stating that the feedback in question is libelious or defamatory. "
You need to post the full info on that. It only applies to items that were bought more than a week apart. If I bought 50 items in 24 hours the feedback would only count as one, now if I bought another item 2 weeks later that feedback would count again. And your feedback % will only go back for the past 12 months.
<< <i>You need to post the full info on that. It only applies to items that were bought more than a week apart. If I bought 50 items in 24 hours the feedback would only count as one, now if I bought another item 2 weeks later that feedback would count again. And your feedback % will only go back for the past 12 months.
"...If you get 20 negs from one buyer it will count 20 times then.. "
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That was addressed at the first press-conference.
The stupid PR-lady said "no."
It's in one of the "push-pins" at the top of the seller-central board and somewhere on the FB board.
The going-back to 1996 is a late to the table bone that they are throwing to sellers. It is not calculated the way the forward scheme will be.
BUT, NEUTRALS ------- going forward -------- are going to be effective NEGs when calculating the gross percentage. BUT, not when calculating the PSer qualification-percentage.
Man, what a freaking MESS.
Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
IF every EBAY employee was forced to complete at least 10/10 buy/sell transactions BEFORE they were given any authority or any paychecks, EBAY would be a totally different place.
The people running the thing have not got a clue what it is like to navigate the maze.
Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
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My guess is that we will see ALOT of this after May.
There are already folks on the EBAY boards encouraging
lawsuits against bad buyers who leave NEGs.
The fact is that EBAY will remove the most obviously defamatory
FB. The rest of the stuff is just folks' opinions of the transaction,
and one would be hard-pressed to find a judge that would
see simple NEGs as grounds for a win.
IF somebody acts with malice, however, the outcome might be
different. There is already talk of folks in certain competitive
categories striving to ruin their competition. It is pretty easy
to do now that the PSer discounts are based on DSRs.
I can buy an item a week from a seller, leave no FB or POS FB,
and KILL the sellers DSRs to the point that he will lose hundreds
of dollars in FVF rebates.
The wars have not even started yet.
Giovanni
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Steve
<< <i>Anyone can sue anyone over anything.
Steve >>
You can't say that Steve. Now im suing you.
<< <i>It's a sad state in America when a story like this is even possible. I don't understand how a case like this could even get to court in the first place. Ridiculous. >>
Couldn't agree more.
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<< <i>The fact is that EBAY will remove the most obviously defamatory feedback >>
Actually, this is not true. Ebay's policies specifically state that they will not remove feedback absent a ruling from a judge stating that the feedback in question is libelious or defamatory.
If Ebay put more effort into monitoring feedback and/or developed their own system that allowed people to challenge wrongful negs, then people would not even need to think about going to the courts for redress.
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<< <i>The fact is that EBAY will remove the most obviously defamatory feedback >>
Actually, this is not true. Ebay's policies specifically state that they will not remove feedback absent a ruling from a judge stating that the feedback in question is libelious or defamatory.
If Ebay put more effort into monitoring feedback and/or developed their own system that allowed people to challenge wrongful negs, then people would not even need to think about going to the courts for redress. >>
There are several reasons Ebay will remove feedback without a judges order.
If the feedback left is vulgar or in bad taste.
If the feedback mentiones anything about law enforcemnt being involved
If it contains a web address
If it was clear it was left with malicious intent, like a buyer buys 50 items from my store and immediatly negs me on all 50 items
Starting May 19th if the poster of the feedback is NARU'ed their feedback will be removed, right now if the member is suspended within 90 days their feedback is removed. I had 2 positives taken from me for this reason a few weeks ago.
You can also get it removed by paying like 25.00 to square trade.
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The kind of "most obviously defamatory FB" I was refering to was:
"This seller is a thief and a child molester and the police know it."
As their policy states, anything that refers to the cops
being after you is pretty easy to get removed.
I may have posted this in another thread, BUT it is actually pretty good news, worth repeating.
On May 19, longtime sellers have a chance to pick up a substantial "bonus" to their FB totals.
The duplicate positives left for sellers by ALL of their repeat-buyers ---- all the way back to 1996 ---
will be credited to sellers' totals.
<< <i>Update on the new FB scheme:
I may have posted this in another thread, BUT it is actually pretty good news, worth repeating.
On May 19, longtime sellers have a chance to pick up a substantial "bonus" to their FB totals.
The duplicate positives left for sellers by ALL of their repeat-buyers ---- all the way back to 1996 ---
will be credited to sellers' totals. >>
wow, that's excellent!
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At least thats the way I read it.
<< <i>You need to post the full info on that. It only applies to items that were bought more than a week apart. If I bought 50 items in 24 hours the feedback would only count as one, now if I bought another item 2 weeks later that feedback would count again. And your feedback % will only go back for the past 12 months.
At least thats the way I read it. >>
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Read it again. I reported it as written in the "developers release"
that went out on the 18th. It was advising the software-add-on
makers.
But, you're right, I don't recall seeing it in any other announcements.
It has been discussed in numerous threads at the EBAY boards.
The "prospective" scheme is as you described it above. The "retrospective"
scheme is as I stated above.
I spoke to my witch today, and she confirmed it.
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That was addressed at the first press-conference.
The stupid PR-lady said "no."
It's in one of the "push-pins" at the top of the seller-central board
and somewhere on the FB board.
The going-back to 1996 is a late to the table bone that they are
throwing to sellers. It is not calculated the way the forward scheme will be.
BUT, NEUTRALS ------- going forward -------- are going to be effective
NEGs when calculating the gross percentage. BUT, not when calculating
the PSer qualification-percentage.
Man, what a freaking MESS.
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Also, going forward the one-week rule applies.
Thus, ONLY an idiot woud get more than ONE NEG from
a buyer. The buyer would be on BBL after the first NEG.
Going backwards to 1996, the one-week rule does not apply.
She said, "ALL" previous duplicate FB will be applied by May 20.
buy/sell transactions BEFORE they were given any authority or
any paychecks, EBAY would be a totally different place.
The people running the thing have not got a clue what it is
like to navigate the maze.