-- What would it take (in terms of wear, damage, etc) for a coin of this quality (MS 61) . . . to look like a coin of this quality? --
I don't know. All I know is that it looks intentional to me. And I say that because of the contrast between the numbers & letters and the fields. For example, look how bold and clean the 22 is compared to the fields, and the smoothness of the fields immediately surrounding some of the numbers & letters also looks unnatural to me. In your earlier post, you suggested that the coin has been tooled, and that jibes with what I see as a possibility. If I had to make a WAG, I'd say that the numbers & letters were tooled to increase the relief and the fields distressed to make the work less obvious. Edited to add: I've never seen anything like it.
And if I can guess the true grade on Andy's MS-61, I'll say EF-45.
What did I win?
TD
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This is definitely a tricky contest, since not only do you have to guess the TPG service, but based on your guess and knowledge of the grading principles of that particular series at that particular TPG you'd inflate/deflate the grade, accordingly. Cool contest, Regulated!
<< <i>TwoKopeiki wins with PCGS AU50 - now I have to find a prize... >>
AU-50? You are talking about the $2-1/2, aren't you? Not that piece of trash that must have been stuck to the bottom of the shoe of somebody walking down a gravel road???????
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<< <i>TwoKopeiki wins with PCGS AU50 - now I have to find a prize... >>
AU-50? You are talking about the $2-1/2, aren't you? Not that piece of trash that must have been stuck to the bottom of the shoe of somebody walking down a gravel road??????? >>
ha. i always thought it was the norm for the TPGs to be uber lenient on these pieces and i thought people would take that into account when guessing the grade. it was really marked up but had very little wear in my opinion.
I remember when AU meant About Uncirculated or Almost Uncirculated and the coin at least had a passing resemblance to an uncirculated coin.
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And if I can guess the true grade on Andy's MS-61, I'll say EF-45.
What did I win?
CaptHenway - You'll probably win a job offer from a hotel coin buying operation.
Seriously, I think the PCGS 61 might be accurately graded, and is at least a real 58. The PCGS AU50 is not something I would feel comfortable selling at that grade.
Andy Lustig
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Silly me, I was using the pre-1986 grading standards.....
As the auction descripton says: "As usual, the fields are lightly abraded."
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<< <i>TwoKopeiki wins with PCGS AU50 - now I have to find a prize... >>
argh. off by 3 points. >>
Could be worse I was off by 6! >>
I was off by 25, but right!
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<< <i>check the post right above TwoKopeiki by dan8402.......wouldnt he be the winner as his post was an hour earlier??
not trying to start something, just noticed
greg >>
Check page #1 >>
I didn't even see this until now. Although I'm disappointed, I lost fair and square ( unless 2K has some kind of crazy time machine ). Very interesting result though.
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Thanks for the chance
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I don't know. All I know is that it looks intentional to me. And I say that because of the contrast between the numbers & letters and the fields. For example, look how bold and clean the 22 is compared to the fields, and the smoothness of the fields immediately surrounding some of the numbers & letters also looks unnatural to me. In your earlier post, you suggested that the coin has been tooled, and that jibes with what I see as a possibility. If I had to make a WAG, I'd say that the numbers & letters were tooled to increase the relief and the fields distressed to make the work less obvious. Edited to add: I've never seen anything like it.
And if I can guess the true grade on Andy's MS-61, I'll say EF-45.
What did I win?
TD
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<< <i>Without having read any of the other posts (cause my internet connection here in my Cancun hotel is rather poor and slowly loading...) >>
oh i wil shed a tear for you in that resort area. not! what are you doing
on the internet anyway ;-) bikini babes to go view!
bob
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<< <i>Without having read any of the other posts (cause my internet connection here in my Cancun hotel is rather poor and slowly loading...) >>
oh i wil shed a tear for you in that resort area. not! what are you doing
on the internet anyway ;-) bikini babes to go view! >>
Dude, I wish I was in Cancun.
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<< <i>PCGS AU-50 >>
Great minds think alike
This is definitely a tricky contest, since not only do you have to guess the TPG service, but based on your guess and knowledge of the grading principles of that particular series at that particular TPG you'd inflate/deflate the grade, accordingly. Cool contest, Regulated!
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i hate waiting when i am curious. ;-)
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<< <i>TwoKopeiki wins with PCGS AU50 - now I have to find a prize... >>
argh. off by 3 points.
<< <i>TwoKopeiki wins with PCGS AU50 - now I have to find a prize... >>
Sahweet!
Thank you again, Regulated!
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<< <i>TwoKopeiki wins with PCGS AU50 - now I have to find a prize... >>
AU-50? You are talking about the $2-1/2, aren't you? Not that piece of trash that must have been stuck to the bottom of the shoe of somebody walking down a gravel road???????
<< <i>
<< <i>TwoKopeiki wins with PCGS AU50 - now I have to find a prize... >>
AU-50? You are talking about the $2-1/2, aren't you? Not that piece of trash that must have been stuck to the bottom of the shoe of somebody walking down a gravel road??????? >>
ha. i always thought it was the norm for the TPGs to be uber lenient
on these pieces and i thought people would take that into account
when guessing the grade. it was really marked up but had very little
wear in my opinion.
Zar's Ebay
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not trying to start something, just noticed
greg
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<< <i>check the post right above TwoKopeiki by dan8402.......wouldnt he be the winner as his post was an hour earlier??
not trying to start something, just noticed
greg >>
wrong tpg. you needed the grade and tpg.
<< <i>check the post right above TwoKopeiki by dan8402.......wouldnt he be the winner as his post was an hour earlier??
not trying to start something, just noticed
greg >>
Check page #1
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I figured it would be some rediculously high grade, otherwise Regulated wouldn't share it. I'm glad it wasn't graded SP-62 or something like that.
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And if I can guess the true grade on Andy's MS-61, I'll say EF-45.
What did I win?
CaptHenway - You'll probably win a job offer from a hotel coin buying operation.
Seriously, I think the PCGS 61 might be accurately graded, and is at least a real 58. The PCGS AU50 is not something I would feel comfortable selling at that grade.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
As the auction descripton says: "As usual, the fields are lightly abraded."
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That is real cool. Does the grade even matter?
Hoard the keys.
JP
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<< <i>TwoKopeiki wins with PCGS AU50 - now I have to find a prize... >>
argh. off by 3 points. >>
Could be worse I was off by 6!
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>TwoKopeiki wins with PCGS AU50 - now I have to find a prize... >>
argh. off by 3 points. >>
Could be worse I was off by 6!
I was off by 25, but right!
<< <i>
<< <i>check the post right above TwoKopeiki by dan8402.......wouldnt he be the winner as his post was an hour earlier??
not trying to start something, just noticed
greg >>
Check page #1
I didn't even see this until now. Although I'm disappointed, I lost fair and square ( unless 2K has some kind of crazy time machine
What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake