awful fake psa flip
jimq112
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what makes you think it is a fake?
cert# is good, seller is a powerseller
Please explain
Steve
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
The font's all wrong.
Torc, just because the cert # is right,
how hard do you think it is to just type
it on another piece of paper and then
glue to the blue back piece?
Powersellers mean nothing nowadays.
Further, a stream of letters from PSA's lawyers would get
the attention of EBAY.
Yet, the beat goes on; and, EBAY does nothing but profit
from CRIMINALS and persecute honest sellers.
Steve
WIWAG sold a ton of cards before they were caught by the FBI. No warning to the collectors or help identifying the fakes.
How about the recent Craigslist fakes hitting the market?
Or the fake coin holder scam from China. All I saw was a warning about shady auctions that any Ebay newbie could have written. Telling someone not to buy coins from a Chinese dealer is not really addressing the problem.
I'm not saying Beckett or anyone else is better, their RCR scam is just as bad.
Considering how much of their business depends on the confidence of their products in the marketplace, I am continually amazed how weak the grading companies responses are to these scams that pop up now and them.
As someone mentioned before I am waiting for a massive fake holder scam to hit the hobby soon.
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CLCT needs to make a firm public statement to assure the market
that PSA/PCGS take these matters seriously and are working with
law enforcement to halt the fraud and PROTECT THE BRAND.
CLCT needs to join VERO, yesterday. A VERO-rep can halt any EBAY
auction instantly for "suspicion of infringement;" EBAY never reverses
a VERO decision.
CLCT shareholders are starting to see the current circumstance as
a risk. The 10% dividend is GREAT, but it can only be maintained if
the brand remains strong.
lmao
Steve
My Registry Sets
<< <i>The picture of the back is not the same card either, look at the corners. >>
Good catch, why would the back be sharper corners than the front?
What makes a powerseller do something like that? Greed, or just don't care?
I am so dis-illusioned with buying stuff on e-bay now, the only thing to do is post here before buying, but that runs the risk of tipping my hand and losing out on a card
Dammed if you do, and poorer if you don't.
Hijacked account?
Steve
Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's
<< <i>It would only take an expert at photoshop will no morals to really make a killing on ebay >>
Not to scare anybody from ever buying anything on eBay, but case in point:
I thought PSA was part of the VERO program- they certainly used to be, shutting down stuff a few years ago very quickly.
I think they still are, but as Storm noted they need a human to actually do the work?
Steve
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If they are, they need a new rep.
I get VERO-slapped frequently, in fashion and eletronics.
It usually happens about an hour into the listings. (I have
not had a legit slap in a long time; they act on "reasonable
suspicion." Competition in fashion is brutal and the BIG
sellers are all mobbed-up with the VERO ladies. Fake reports
are routine.)
http://pages.ebay.com/help/community/vero-aboutme.html
NOTE: This is ONLY the members who have aboutme pages.
<< <i>"As someone mentioned before I am waiting for a massive fake holder scam to hit the hobby soon. " >>
It will be bigger and more damaging than card doctoring by far!!
I've been working with a couple grading companies who are concerned about security, preparing for the future and trying to protect their customers. Unfortunately, PSA is not one of them. I wish them all the best.
Kevin Saucier
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Yup.
It will, at least temporarily, tank graded-card prices.
It may present some "recertification opportunities"
for the TPGs, but it will still be a net negative for
business.
There is still time to prevent it; but, not much time.
Although a huge concern for collectors, scanned images with photoshop changes may not be the problem.
IMO "slab doctoring" will change the hobby as we know it today. It's already in the infancy stage now.
Cracked slabs with little or no frosting (or forged) and flips made to look so real that they get past expert collectors and/or even the grading companies will be the future of alterations...if they are not already in circulation.
Kevin Saucier
When they return home, they will bring the first major wave of ChiCom
garbage with them.
Not good.
Seller pulled the auction and included a note that he'll be checking with PSA about the authenticity of the card.
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He might also want to "check" as to why the back of the card
did not seem to belong to the front of the card.
I, like most folks here, have touched thousands of PSA cards.
I KNOW what a fake flip and altered slab look like. Resellers
are the last line of defense, and they ALL need to watch what
the heck they are doing.
The market will soon be tired of hearing that "dealers are victims
just like collectors." Soon, it will be time to say, as Yogi would:
"Folks who don't know what they are doing ought to stop doing it."
<< <i>im just checked this out and am researching it further....i will be contacting psa directly about this too....thanks for the heads up everyone! >>
I had contacted the seller and he quoted it in the sale.
He contacted me with that response - will be interested to see what he does or if he comes on here to discuss the card?
mike
These threads have me spooked, but this just doesn't look right, especially the cert number and the lack of spacing in VG-EX.
The card is an obvious reprint and easily seen as one if you know what to look for. Even if the fake flip was made better or an authentic flip was placed in the holder you need to look at the card you are buying closely. Ignore the holder/flip, just use it as a tool to determine overall condition.
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The flip looks "different."
Folks should do what they want to, but my EBAY policy will include this element:
IF a scan does not show me a clear image of the four edges of a slab, I will not bid/buy.
I am moving towards ONLY buying stuff from folks I know, and from LARGE
auction/resellers. If that feeling becomes part of a trend, ALOT of EBAY
sellers are in for hard times.
We need to move away from the acceptance of "I didn't know" as an excuse.
It may well be an honest "explanation," but it does not "excuse" the continued
poisoning of the pool. IF resllers "don't know," they need to take a holiday from
selling and learn "how to tell." If that means fewer sellers and higher prices,
the hobby/industry can live with it.
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Works for you and me; but will eliminate 90% of buyers.
MANY folks just want an example or two of a series; they are NOT
going to spend the time to become experts on the nuances of
those series. They need to be able to rely on the TPG.
Or, we can shrink the sundry hobbies to a fraction of their
current sizes; those who remain will be "experts" and none
of them will ever get cheated.
<< <i>The point of grading was to make condition and authenticity decided by a independent third party and leave the price up to the 2 parties trying to buy and sell. Before, most of the transaction was focused on what grade and if it was authentic before pricing was even discussed. This allowed internet sales to boom and people didn't worry about getting VG cards as NM or fake Jordan RCs instead of real ones anymore. >>
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Yup.
And, every stakeholder needs to be concerned with preserving that concept.