makes you shake your head
celesterussell
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Got to laugh at many of the self absorbed ebay sellers, who forget its only a baseball card.
Got "sharp edged" message from seller remining me that I had not responded to him within three days of the end of auction. He says that "these are his RULES".
Even more unreal was that this was over the Easter holiday weekend.
as recommended to others in this situation, it now goes to the bottom of the pile for payment.
In the USA all men are created equal but some are more equal than others....
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Just my $0.02
All I can say is that if many of these types of sellers were paper towels, they would be the most self absorbing paper towels on the market today...
I respect your opinion though man.
<< <i>I've personally never waited more than five seconds to pay for an auction, but that's just me.
I respect your opinion though man. >>
You know what I mean, I do the same thing, pay right after the auction everytime, so thats makes 2 of us
Giovanni
<< <i>It makes me shake my head when buyers dont just pay on time.
Just my $0.02 >>
Or a day early...right, Al? See, the OP is like 99.9% of ebay buyers. They don't need to be harassed into payment. Some sellers need to chill.
<< <i>It makes me shake my head when buyers dont just pay on time.
Just my $0.02 >>
Celesterussell,
It takes alot of effort to just check emails before a person goes to bed, to see if you won any of the auctions you bid on. Paypal takes seconds to send, and if you pay with money order, you can swing by the store coming to/from your work, to pick one up. Fill out when you get home, place a stamp on the envelope, and drop in a blue postal mailbox on your way to work the next morning. Either way, the effort you exhausted to complain on this forum could have been used to make things right with the seller. After all, YOU did place the bid, the seller did not force you to.
Sounds like I hit a nerve!!!
I'm sorry, my life does not totally revolve around cards.
Three days is a bit much, many of us do not use money orders.
Perhaps I should also mail send him a thank you note (within three days), for allowing me to buy from him.
<< <i>Sounds like I hit a nerve!!!
I'm sorry, my life does not totally revolve around cards.
Three days is a bit much, many of us do not use money orders.
Perhaps I should also mail send him a thank you note (within three days), for allowing me to buy from him. >>
Perhaps you should not bid, if you cannot follow the auction's/seller's rules..
<< <i>Got to laugh at many of the self absorbed ebay sellers, who forget its only a baseball card.
Got "sharp edged" message from seller remining me that I had not responded to him within three days of the end of auction. He says that "these are his RULES".
Even more unreal was that this was over the Easter holiday weekend.
as recommended to others in this situation, it now goes to the bottom of the pile for payment. >>
Ok, I can understand how easy it is for somebody to not check their emails all the time to see if they won an item. I myself check my emails every single day and check it a few times a day, so theres no way I can miss something. Also, the reason I pay right then and there is because I always snipe an auction at the last 5 seconds so thats how i'm able to pay right then and there, see I never thought of it that way, I keep saying to myself why can't people pay right then and there, but then again I had to realize that not everybody bids the last 5 seconds right???
I see what your saying, and yes people could be so rude sometimes, especialy being that it was Easter Holiday, people can be heartless sometimes, I don't get how evil people could be. If I were the seller I would give you the chance to pay, even if my 5-7 day payment deadline was up, I just put that there, but if a buyer pays later i'm fine with that, but of course I curse him/her out
If I were you, I would just email him explaining that you are a very busy person and don't check your emails often and that you didn't think you would be high bidder or whatever, and just send payment ASAP, because after all its not worth a neg is it? How about is theres a million things you wan't on ebay one day, and sellers see your feedback and deciede not to sell to you, or even worst you get kicked off ebay??? Make it right even if some sellers can be total
Giovanni
<< <i>Got to laugh at many of the self absorbed ebay sellers, who forget its only a baseball card.
Got "sharp edged" message from seller remining me that I had not responded to him within three days of the end of auction. He says that "these are his RULES".
Even more unreal was that this was over the Easter holiday weekend.
as recommended to others in this situation, it now goes to the bottom of the pile for payment. >>
Check out this link, if you have any questions about Ebay procedure:
<< <i>LINK >>
<< <i>should I send him a thank you note also >>
You should send him over a bottle of vintage wine with the card!
Giovanni
<< <i>should I send him a thank you note also >>
No, just don't buy from this seller again. It is the sellers terms stated in his auction, you might not agree, but you do have to abide by them.
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<< <i>Got to laugh at many of the self absorbed ebay sellers, who forget its only a baseball card.
Got "sharp edged" message from seller remining me that I had not responded to him within three days of the end of auction. He says that "these are his RULES".
Even more unreal was that this was over the Easter holiday weekend.
as recommended to others in this situation, it now goes to the bottom of the pile for payment. >>
Check out this link, if you have any questions about Ebay procedure:
<< <i>LINK >>
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Ummm...that policy is for people who bid with no intention on purchasing the item. The OP bid on something and didn't send an email within 3 days to the seller.
As has been stated over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again on this board, sellers can't do jack until 7 days. Sellers who set any sort of deadline prior to that 7 days are basically like the guy standing on the side of the road shaking their fingers at speeding cars. They might not like it, but there's nothing they can do about it.
Also, the "seller's terms" as referenced in that policy has to do with unwelcome bidding activity such as bidding from a foreign country when the auction clearly states US only or having a feedback of -1 when the seller says that all negative feedback buyers' bids will be cancelled. It has nothing to do with an arbitrary deadline to make contact.
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<< <i>should I send him a thank you note also >>
No, just don't buy from this seller again. It is the sellers terms stated in his auction, you might not agree, but you do have to abide by them. >>
Yes, this is exactly my feelings, sting.
Celeste,
Sure, it may seem strict, but it was the rules you agreed to, when you placed the bid. The most important thing on Ebay is to read ALL the auction listing, before bidding. I know alot do not do this, and that is how this stuff can explode into a big issue between buyer and seller.
This is clearly stated in the first paragraph of the Ebay link I provided:
<<Buyers who do not meet the seller’s terms as outlined in the item listing are not permitted to bid on or buy the item. Furthermore, buyers are not permitted to place bids or purchase items with the primary intent of disrupting a listing.>>
On down further:
<<Why does eBay have this policy?
This policy protects the marketplace by enforcing the contractual obligation entered into between buyer and seller, made with the placement of a bid or Buy it Now. It also protects sellers from buyers who do not honor the seller’s terms of sale.>>
Ebay doesn't allow sellers to take action until the 8th day after the auction ends. That's the deadline. Anything earlier is a waste of the seller's time.
As I stated in my first response to this thread, some sellers need to chill.
<< <i>Arbitrary deadlines that cannot be enforced are not construed to be a part of the seller's terms of sale.
Ebay doesn't allow sellers to take action until the 8th day after the auction ends. That's the deadline. Anything earlier is a waste of the seller's time.
As I stated in my first response to this thread, some sellers need to chill. >>
Does not matter what you or I think, the link clearly states the rules.
It says it protects sellers from buyers who do not honor the seller's terms of sale. If the seller says to contact and or pay within 3 days, and the buyer refuses to follow the rules, then this is a violation of the contract. This is Ebay rules, not me making it up. Please go back and read it, if you doubt me. It's all clearly laid out, if you will just read that section.
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<< <i>should I send him a thank you note also >>
No, just don't buy from this seller again. It is the sellers terms stated in his auction, you might not agree, but you do have to abide by them. >>
Yes, this is exactly my feelings, sting.
Celeste,
Sure, it may seem strict, but it was the rules you agreed to, when you placed the bid. The most important thing on Ebay is to read ALL the auction listing, before bidding. I know alot do not do this, and that is how this stuff can explode into a big issue between buyer and seller. >>
Nothing needs to explode, it only explodes if you let it. If your a buyer and didn't read when you bid, then you gotta give
Giovanni
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"under penalty of death"
Or:
" we will slice you up with the sharpest corner of the card you have bought."
<< <i>I take PayPal only and have been waiting 4 days for payment. I can live withot immediate payment, but if it's going to be several days the least the bidder can do is contact the seller. >>
Yeah I know, I got buyers sometimes that pay with money order and don't even contact me at all to say its on its way, and then 2 weeks later its in the mail
It would be cool if buyers would at least email, and if they don't check theirs emails often, then they should if they knew they bid on something.
Giovanni
<< <i>what about adding
"under penalty of death"
Or:
" we will slice you up with the sharpest corner of the card you have bought." >>
to respond regarding the auction within 3 days and I don't blame him.
communication is the key.
Steve
<< <i>Does not matter what you or I think, the link clearly states the rules.
It says it protects sellers from buyers who do not honor the seller's terms of sale. If the seller says to contact and or pay within 3 days, and the buyer refuses to follow the rules, then this is a violation of the contract. This is Ebay rules, not me making it up. Please go back and read it, if you doubt me. It's all clearly laid out, if you will just read that section. >>
You're wrong. The sooner you can admit to that, the easier it will be.
If ebay wanted people to set 3 day deadlines, they would offer the option of recourse if said deadline was breached. You're mistaking "terms of sale" with the additional terms that are set forth in the description. Any terms of sale that ebay cares about are clearly detailed in the seller's listing form. If ebay wanted to include a 3 day deadline in the actual terms of sale, there would be a spot for the seller to note "Payment due within X days" in the actual listing form.
Any additional "terms" listed in the description are not enforceable by ebay.
<< <i>Celeste your seller was not asking for, or demanding payment within 3 days, he was simply asking for you
to respond regarding the auction within 3 days and I don't blame him.
communication is the key.
Steve >>
Steve, do you feel as though the OP has earned negative feedback, banishment from ebay and 40 lashes with a wet noodle as has been suggested by the looney bin folks here on the board?
Or do you think a simple email from the seller asking for a status - without the rudeness exhibited in this case - would have been more reasonable?
We're talking about an email. An email. Sure, it's easy to send, but over a holiday weekend, this type of minutia can easily be overlooked.
Here are the words cut and pasted from Ebay rules link:
<<Buyers who do not meet the seller’s terms as outlined in the item listing are not permitted to bid on or buy the item>>
<<Why does eBay have this policy?
This policy protects the marketplace by enforcing the contractual obligation entered into between buyer and seller, made with the placement of a bid or Buy it Now. It also protects sellers from buyers who do not honor the seller’s terms of sale.>>
If the seller states in his listing, that the buyer is to contact within 3 days of the auction's end, and he/she does not, then this is violating the seller's terms of sale.
Steve, do you feel as though the OP has earned negative feedback, banishment from ebay and 40 lashes with a wet noodle as has been suggested by the looney bin folks here on the board?
Of course not. However buyers should complete checkout within 3 days. At one time (not sure if it is still) ebay suggested that.
In this case the seller did not demand payment within 3 days he simply wanted the buyer to communicate within 3 days.
I, as a winner always communicate with my seller my intention within 3 days (That is if I didn't pay right away)
Steve
<< <i>Gumby, I guess you do not have any comprehension skills.
Here are the words cut and pasted from Ebay rules link:
<<Buyers who do not meet the seller’s terms as outlined in the item listing are not permitted to bid on or buy the item>>
<<Why does eBay have this policy?
This policy protects the marketplace by enforcing the contractual obligation entered into between buyer and seller, made with the placement of a bid or Buy it Now. It also protects sellers from buyers who do not honor the seller’s terms of sale.>>
If the seller states in his listing, that the buyer is to contact within 3 days of the auction's end, and he/she does not, then this is violating the seller's terms of sale. >>
You're confusing the listing with the description. The "terms of sale" that are referenced in the policy are the fields which the seller fills out as part of the listing. Additional terms added to the description are unenforceable. Why don't you log on to ebay and have a chat with ebay's help desk and ask them how this policy applies to a "you must email me within 3 days" term added to the description? Post your results. If I am wrong, I'll admit it. Will you?
Didn't think so.
Sorry, but not worth wasting anymore time on it with you. If you ever decide to read and comprehend the rules, it's all laid out in black and white.
<< <i>Steve, do you feel as though the OP has earned negative feedback, banishment from ebay and 40 lashes with a wet noodle as has been suggested by the looney bin folks here on the board?
Of course not. However buyers should complete checkout within 3 days. At one time (not sure if it is still) ebay suggested that.
In this case the seller did not demand payment within 3 days he simply wanted the buyer to communicate within 3 days.
I, as a winner always communicate with my seller my intention within 3 days (That is if I didn't pay right away)
Steve >>
As do I...but it was missed here by the OP. It happens. It especially happens over a holiday weekend. A simple reminder email from the seller goes a lot further than tha spouting off about "my rules" that the seller has apparently done here.
Not speaking to you here, Steve, but others on this thread seem to think that the buyer was interrupting the auction by placing the winning bid and being busy on Easter weekend. That's what makes me shake my head.
<< <i>Gumby,
Sorry, but not worth wasting anymore time on it with you. If you ever decide to read and comprehend the rules, it's all laid out in black and white. >>
Well, at least you realize that your argument is thin and have likely realized that you've read a bit too much into what is written there. You're right...it's probably not worth your time to find out you're wrong.
I can't get into the chat from work, so I'll do that tonight and will report my findings. As I said before, if I'm wrong, I'll admit it. When it comes out that you're wrong, will you?
I have a similar situation with a 0 feedback buyer. Over the weekend I sold 20 hi dollar cards all have been paid for
except this guys. It is now day 4 since the auctions ended and he has yet to communicate with me.
On day 7 I will simply email him/her and ask what is up?
I won't be demanding I'll just ask him/her how do they wish to complete this deal.
Steve
The only thing some of us have said is that a seller has his terms of sale, and by placing a bid, they are to be honored. Noone is loney or any of the petty name calling you want to use. Rather, just going from Ebay's policy that is set forth to protect the sellers from buyers who do not follow the seller's terms of sale.
As I stated, 3 days to contact/and or possibly pay may seem strict, but that if that is what the seller called for in his tos, then that has to be followed, according to Ebay. This is not something that anyone on here has made up, Ebay did.
Giovanni
<< <i>Craig I agree. This seller needs some work on how he communicates to his customers.
I have a similar situation with a 0 feedback buyer. Over the weekend I sold 20 hi dollar cards all have been paid for
except this guys. It is now day 4 since the auctions ended and he has yet to communicate with me.
On day 7 I will simply email him/her and ask what is up?
I won't be demanding I'll just ask him/her how do they wish to complete this deal.
Steve >>
I had a guy with good feedback who had not paid after 7 days, e-mailed him actually on day five just to remind him I had not received payment, nicely
<< <i>Arbitrary deadlines that cannot be enforced are not construed to be a part of the seller's terms of sale.
Ebay doesn't allow sellers to take action until the 8th day after the auction ends. That's the deadline. Anything earlier is a waste of the seller's time.
>>
Gumby hit the nail on the head.
Did we not just go through this a few weeks ago???
Gumby, since you seem to be so snard and have to be right, so be it. It does not make my day any better or worse for it. Hope you feel better about it now.
All I say is that to not contact a seller within 3 days of the auction ending, holiday weekend or not, seems to show a lack of effort on the buyer's part if they know they placed bids on items. Communication is everything with online buying/selling, and when a seller is left in the dark for 3 days, it makes a seller wonder if the buyer is going pay. Just my opinion, that I am sure many other sellers share.
In reverse, it's just as frustrating to pay for a card and never hear from a seller as to the status of your purchase.
The propensity of people to get carried away with stupid irrelevant things amazes me. Buyer didn't communicate within three days- who cares. Buyer got a nasty email- whatever. Seller's terms weren't met to the word- big whoop. Payment must be made within [insert number] days- pointless. Are these things really worth expending time and energy on? That's a tough way to go through life.
<< <i>Did we not just go through this a few weeks ago???
As a matter of fact, we did. Here is Alan's conversation with ebay help:
How May I help You?
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Initial Question/Comment: Selling Your Item
9:48:35 AM System
Thank you for contacting eBay Live Help!
9:48:35 AM System
You are successfully connected to eBay Live Help. Please hold for the next available Live Help Agent.
9:48:49 AM System
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9:48:54 AM Ruth
Hello, thank you for waiting and welcome to eBay Live Help! My name is Ruth. If you’re a registered member, may I please start by having you confirm your User ID and first name?
9:49:16 AM baileypsa10
baileypsa10, Alan
9:49:29 AM Ruth
Hi Alan! I hope you're doing fine. How may I help you?
9:50:53 AM baileypsa10
I'm great, thanks. My question is this: As a seller, am I allowed to request whatever payment terms I choose? For instance, I normally say POaypal required within three days. I had a buyer tell me that I was violating eBay policy because eBay allows seven days on all auctions. I know I cant file a NPB till after 7 days, but I'm technically "allowed" to ask for payment in three days, right? I just want to makse sure I'm not breaking some policy. Thanks!
9:51:29 AM Ruth
I am more than happy to help you with that.
9:51:39 AM Ruth
Yes, you can actually do that. I mean indicate that in your listing.
9:52:10 AM Ruth
But it is also correct that sellers are given seven days after the listing ends to file the Unpaid Item dispute process.
9:52:14 AM baileypsa10
So, the buyer eas incorrect in stating that eBay allows seven days on all auctions?
9:53:09 AM Ruth
Technically, the buyers are given 7 days to pay for the item. That would be because sellers can only file the dispute 7 days after the auction ends.
9:53:44 AM baileypsa10
Super, thanks for your help.
9:54:04 AM Ruth
You are very welcome. No worries at all!
9:54:04 AM Ruth
Is there anything else I may help you with?
9:54:11 AM baileypsa10
Nope, all set, thanks again!
The facts are, it depends for many buyers. Some buyers may be waiting on their own auctions to end before they have funds to pay for auctions they win. Whether that's wise or not is another matter, but it's a fact. And if a seller requires check or MO, then they better be prepared to wait a few days before it goes out the door.
Reasonable terms are to receive payment 7-10 days after auction ends.
Ron
Buying Vintage, all sports.
Buying Woody Hayes, Les Horvath, Vic Janowicz, and Jesse Owens autographed items
I would think that a majority would agree.
many people could be involved with:
go away on business
holiday weekend
family member in hospital
work different shifts
sick child
have flood in basement
katrina
Blizzard
funeral
away on ther own private Moon Launch
Are defending Crooked CFO's in court
jury duty
visiting 85 year old mother who does not have a touchtone phone let alone a computer....
Three days is not enough time.................
in the collectible categories. (I have always used that option in fashion/electronics.)
It does not seem to have any negative impact; and, of course, it deters the criminals
in fashion/electronics.
The OP said he got the email from the seller about an auction that ended over Easter weekend.
That was 22 days ago. Has it been 22 days and the OP still had not sent payment? Or was he just starting this thread weeks after the actual email to spark some discussion? Just curious.
If I was the seller, and it had been 3 weeks with no payment I would be a little bit ticked myself. I believe the vast majority of this board would have already filed a Non-Paying Bidder request and blocked the bidder.
Am I understanding everything correctly?
<< <i>Hate to interrupt the "3 Day--7 Day" discussion for a second. I just want to be clear about the timing of the events from the original post.
The OP said he got the email from the seller about an auction that ended over Easter weekend.
That was 22 days ago. Has it been 22 days and the OP still had not sent payment? Or was he just starting this thread weeks after the actual email to spark some discussion? Just curious.
If I was the seller, and it had been 3 weeks with no payment I would be a little bit ticked myself. I believe the vast majority of this board would have already filed a Non-Paying Bidder request and blocked the bidder.
Am I understanding everything correctly? >>
Good point!!