Both Coins-->Photos posted: PCGS "DNC" for one submission & "DAMAGE" for

karpman9

When PCGS indicates a DNC (did not cross) for one submission and DAMAGE for another submission are the coins usually cracked out of their previous holders or are they usually still in their original holders? I was looking to cross an ANACS 62 R/B '55 DDO (DNC) and a NGC 1799 S$1 VF30 (DAMAGE --rim ding I'm sure).

This is my first round of submissions from the Phoenix Show so I'm not quite what it'll look like when I receive them both back.

Thanks,

PCGS LINK

I'll post my other submission results shortly. These are the only problem children so far.

Thanks for your help.

Edited for clarification.

Placid

Dnc coins are still in the original holders.
Pcgs does not remove them until they are sure they will cross.
At least you know on the damage one why it didnt cross other that it didnt meet the min grade if you put one.

TomB

A coin submitted for crossover will only be removed from its original holder if it is to be encapsulated by PCGS. All coins that DNC are returned in their original holders.

karpman9

Phew....That's a relief.

I'm still disappointed but I know that crossing over copper is quite difficult these days. However, I am a bit annoyed that the rim bump caused the DAMAGE comment, especially when NGC slabbed it as a VF30.

Thanks again for the help.

Doogy

<< <i>Phew....That's a relief.

I'm still disappointed but I know that crossing over copper is quite difficult these days. However, I am a bit annoyed that the rim bump caused the DAMAGE comment, especially when NGC slabbed it as a VF30.

Thanks again for the help. >>



its a crap shoot, plain and simple. There are plenty of early US and world coins out there in PCGS holders with rim dings, some probably worse than yours. It all depends on what day and mood you catch them in.

robkool

You would be better off cracking out that NGC 1799 $ and sending in to PCGS as raw. I bet it would come back in a PCGS VF holder...

karpman9

Here is the 1799 DB S$1 NGC VF30. The rim bump is there but I've seen worse. What do you guys think? Thanks.

TomB

It looks absolutely spectacular!

Doogy

<< <i>It looks absolutely spectacular! >>



i'll say!!! looks like another example of "plastic bias". I'll bet if it were cracked out, they'd slab it right away.

karpman9

Thanks guys for the encouragement.

Here's another pic just a bit closer up. Please ignore the light reflecting off the plastic and the other poor photographic attributes, I think this pic was one of my first experiments with coin photography way back when, although it does show off the patina a bit better than Adrian's (the original Anaconda) pic back in 2002.

All my best,

Doogy

WOW! i'll go on to say further that the coin is one of the finest overall 1799s i've seen in awhile. Nice overall original look and a nice strike!

which then begs the question; it is already graded a 30 by NGC and looks better than most. So why take the time and money to try to cross it?

karpman9

By the way, here are a few shots of the 55 DDO that DNC.

I think I got hurt on the reverse, probably questionable color. I got mixed opinoins at the show. One dealer thought the coins was a PQ original beauty all the way and another thought the color was enhanced a long while ago as it resides in a very old (best generation) ANACS holder.

Any thoughts on this one? I bought it back in 2001, and if what I've learned about copper over the past few years I knew back then, I'm quite sure I would have passed to avoid a situation just like this. It's still a very pretty coin and it's very clean for the assigned grade of 62 R/B by ANACS. It's just not PCGS' cup of tea I guess.

dorkkarl

<< <i>Here is the 1799 DB S$1 NGC VF30. The rim bump is there but I've seen worse. What do you guys think? Thanks.



>>

it would take a stupendous level of stupidity to think that rim "bump" is grounds for not grading the coin. what the he11 was the grader thinking?

perhaps on a more important note, uh, why do you care what brand of pla$tic this coin is in? just crack it out & enjoy THE COIN.

K S

karpman9

<< <i>perhaps on a more important note, uh, why do you care what brand of pla$tic this coin is in? just crack it out & enjoy THE COIN. >>



Good question Karl. I'm a bit "slab-biased" and I admit it. I believe that a great coin housed in a PCGS holder that is properly graded leaves nothing on the table when it comes time to sell. That's just my perception and my experience when selling coins in the past. Take old crusty bust halves for example, they almost always bring higher bid/sell prices in PCGS holders vs. NGC when all things are equal, especially when selling coins back to dealers. Same goes for 3 legged buffs and most other "key dates" for that matter.

I do think that NGC graded the coin correctly. Ironically enough, when it comes to the rejected "damaged" 1799, I think that the PCGS graders were "slab-biased" against me! How's that for irony?

Thanks for the comments!

TAClough

<< <i>A coin submitted for crossover will only be removed from its original holder if it is to be encapsulated by PCGS. All coins that DNC are returned in their original holders. >>



Not True!

TomB

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<< <i>A coin submitted for crossover will only be removed from its original holder if it is to be encapsulated by PCGS. All coins that DNC are returned in their original holders. >>



Not True! >>


What happened to you?

Connecticoin

PCGS is bagging NT toned coins right and left, especially envelope toned coins. They just bagged a Shield Nickel I recently submitted that I cracked out of a NGC MS64 holder.

Doogy

<< <i>PCGS is bagging NT toned coins right and left, especially envelope toned coins. They just bagged a Shield Nickel I recently submitted that I cracked out of a NGC MS64 holder. >>




NGC is doing the same thing. I cracked three PCGS coins for NGC, and they bagged 'em for artificial toning. baloney!

GoldenEyeNumismatics

Both coins were worthy of being in PCGS holders. They're both original beauties with great eye appeal.

eagle7

I say baloney as well. PCGS has gotten just plain stupid on copper. The 1799 should be in their holder as well. JMHO.

RedneckHB

Send them both in raw and you will get your grades.

Rampage

I like both of those coins. If you are trying to sell them, I do not think you will have any problems getting the money they deserve, regardless of whose slab they reside in. I am looking to buy a 1799 myself and yours fits the "type" I want. I used to have a 55 DDO, but sold it a few years ago. Wish I had it back now...

GAB

This looks like a sure case of CACaphobia. It seems to be a common illness
in BOTH the top TPGs lately. I won't submit anything until they figure out how they
are going to deal with it! It's a pure ripoff at this point.

NHSBaseball

That is an awfully small rim bruise on an awfully nice coin....