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Best 1-4 starting pitchers in baseball??
kuhlmann
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look everyone knows im a mets fan.. but not even being a homer pick here.. my picks below. but what is espn talking about the braves having the best depth at pitching. and phillies have no pitching.
santana could easily win 20
pedro if healthy and even if they baby him all year 12-15 tops.
ollie perez in the 3 hole instead of 2 hole last year weaker pitchers. won 15 last year. I see another 15 in a free agent year
john maine has looked awesome in spring slated for 4th spot. won 15 in 3rd spot last year. i can see john maine in the 18-20 win cy young talk with him santana peavy hamels etc..
espn says braves have the best 1-4
are they nuts? glavine??? we had him last year he is down grading every year closer to 10-10 pitcher. hampton will he be healthy? smoltz healthy?
hudson is solid.
i dont no what phillies have outside of hamels. i no myers is a 2 or 3 starting pitcher. but he might get sent to pen. plus you cant honestly say hes a #2 for at least another 10 starts.
braves lineup is stacked. but mets and phillies lineups stacked as well. mets probably having the weakest linup of the 3 when alou is down. but i think our starting pitching this year can get alot of 8 ip games. maybe 7-10 complete games. glad the season started. were all chasing the nationals that should end in 3 days though i think!
this should be a fun race with the standings looking like this
mets 92-70
phillies90-72 wild card
braves 89-73 just miss
nationals 82-80
marlins 74-88
santana could easily win 20
pedro if healthy and even if they baby him all year 12-15 tops.
ollie perez in the 3 hole instead of 2 hole last year weaker pitchers. won 15 last year. I see another 15 in a free agent year
john maine has looked awesome in spring slated for 4th spot. won 15 in 3rd spot last year. i can see john maine in the 18-20 win cy young talk with him santana peavy hamels etc..
espn says braves have the best 1-4
are they nuts? glavine??? we had him last year he is down grading every year closer to 10-10 pitcher. hampton will he be healthy? smoltz healthy?
hudson is solid.
i dont no what phillies have outside of hamels. i no myers is a 2 or 3 starting pitcher. but he might get sent to pen. plus you cant honestly say hes a #2 for at least another 10 starts.
braves lineup is stacked. but mets and phillies lineups stacked as well. mets probably having the weakest linup of the 3 when alou is down. but i think our starting pitching this year can get alot of 8 ip games. maybe 7-10 complete games. glad the season started. were all chasing the nationals that should end in 3 days though i think!
this should be a fun race with the standings looking like this
mets 92-70
phillies90-72 wild card
braves 89-73 just miss
nationals 82-80
marlins 74-88
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As far as the Braves go......
Smoltz is our version of Pedro but probably healthier even though he's starting on the DL. If you put Pedro down for 12-15 what does that do for Smoltz? 20?....I doubt it, but count on him for 15.
Hudson was absolutely FILTHY tonight. Yes, it was agains the Nationals but it was the same Nationals team that he'll get at least 2-3 more starts against this year. We should get 15+ wins out of him as well.
Glavine will probably do similar or better than what he did for you guys in NY. I honestly believe that him being in NY had an effect on his performance. He went there for money, didn't really like it (heard it myself in O-town last month), and if you aren't comfortable in your surroundings or the people around you, how effective can you be? I can see 12 wins and an ERA in the high 3s or low 4s.
Hampton's health could literally determine this division. If he goes back to '03 or '04 form (14-8 3.8 ERA, 13-9 4.3) then that will be HUGE. I don't thik he'll make it through the whole season, but I do think we'll get about a half of a season from him with a few stints on the 15 day DL.
Can't wait to watch Chipp welcome Santana to The House that Chip Built aka Shea Stadium!
Who's better? I don't even know how you could assess that right now, ask me in a month
Not all Cy Young Award winners have been number 1 starters. They may have begun the season
as number 2 or 3 but as the season progressed they became the number 1.
Guidry in 78 for one, And Sutcliffe did not even start the season with the team
he won his award with 83? Valenzuela too?
I am not sure that the voters regard who a pitcher opposes I think they look at the bottom line.
I see Maine winning 20 games this year.
Steve
<< <i>I too can see Maine garnering some Cy votes if he has the season i anticipate from him.
Not all Cy Young Award winners have been number 1 starters.
I see Maine winning 20 games this year.
Steve >>
I dont think goot meant he wont get consederation becasue he isnt his team's number 1 starter.
I think he meant in maine's case, Santana is his team's number one and it will be hard to do better than him.
The second best pitcher on a team will not have a chance at the cy young.
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I agree I doubt that maine will beat out Santana.
Steve
The second best pitcher on a team will not have a chance at the cy young.
i meant at the end of the season, not the pre-season best.
If Maine has a fantastic year, and it happens to be better than Santana's, then he will have a great shot at the Cy Young.
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2) Roy Oswalt
3) Roy Oswalt
4) Roy Oswalt
Oh, I forgot you can't pitch every day.
Nevermind.
Angels 1-4
Escobar
Lackey
Weaver
Garland
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it did back in the 70's.
Innings 6-8, and then 9 are getting as much attention as innings 1 to 6, that it doesn't matter if you're the best
in 1 through 6, but also who is the best at 6 through 8, and then 9.
Angels 1-4
Escobar Hurt, possibly done for the season
Lackey on the Dl.
Weaver
Garland
hmmm....
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I agree that middle relief is as important nowadays.
As far as the Phillies and the Mets, I call it pretty close. Santana is a beast, and Maine will be. Pedro and Perez - nah. For the Phillies, Hamels will be a 20 game winner one day, and Myers will once again be a very effective starter. Moyer will eat innings, and I am one of the few that sees Kendrick as a ML pitcher.
<< <i>Give me the Padres 1-4 >>
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I agree, they looked really good against the Yankees , they did hold them down pretty well , matter of fact they should have never lost the 3rd game , I feel that was a coaching error .
<< <i>The year Bob Welch won 27 games and the Cy Young award he was not the number #1 starter. Dave Stewart was. To win the Cy Young you have to have the numbers. Who cares about what number starter you are. Don Sutton is in the hall and he was basically never a 1 or 2 on some of the teams he was on. Just my 2 cents.
Mickey71
Thats the point i was trying to make, but with Santana on the staff, i dont think he will have better numbers at the end of the year. If Santana was on another team and had a great year but his team sucked, Maine (or whoever) could win the Cy Young if he was on a great team but had slightly worse numbers. There is no chance for that when they are on the same team.
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So far. Come on John Bale!!!
<< <i>If Pedro is healthy I cant see anyone being better than the Mets 1-4. Oliver Perez could turn back into a pumpkin and Maine have a sophmore slump and Pedro goes back on the DL are all possibilities. >>
Pedro is toast. Met will be lucky to get 10 wins and a 4.50 ERA out of him, which is like a 5.40 ERA in the AL. Hell, Kyle Sndyer can get you 10 wins if you give him 25 starts.
<< <i>What about the Indians 1-4.....CC, Fausto, Westbrook and either Byrd or Lee. I think Lee is going to have a comeback year after last years fiasco. No matter what rotation you pick I think injuries will play a big part...like it has been said about the Mets, what if Pedro doesn't come back...just about any team would be disaster if one of the starters go down. Luckily the Indians have some depth, which is why I think they still will win the Central this year. >>
Didn't mean to jinx Pedro but heard he's out already...but it's like I said, injuries can change everything...and woo hoo, Cliff Lee sure looked good today for Cleveland