Columbian Expo So-Called Dollar #223. Can someone explain it?
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The photo shows the Saint-Gaudens/Barber Columbian Exposition Award medal, but the description says 38mm (original is 76.2mm). Also, the description refers to two $2,500 prize-winning designs. Since the original medal was design was prepared by Saint-Gaudens as a $5,000 commission, there was no real “prize,” and nobody paid Charles Barber $2,500 for the reverse. Barber was a Treasury Dept employee and not eligible for a prize, if there had been one.
So, can someone please explain the revised HK listing.
So, can someone please explain the revised HK listing.
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Someone more knowledgable, than I, will hopefully chime in. Take Care, jws
The original award medal is listed as Eglit-90. Emmerich wanted to use a smaller version of their award medal as advertising. I purposely used "Emmerich" rather than Chas. or C. because I have seen a variety of versions of the name. At the time, because this was a mint product, permission was needed to mint a copy of this. Since this was an official government mint issue, special permission had to be secured from the Treasury Department by exhibitors winning awards to reproduce this medal for advertising purposes. By Act of Congress passed March 2, 1895, provision was made for the punishment by fine or imprisonment to reproduce this medal by photography, lithography, electrotyping, drawing, or other means without such special permission. Shortly thereafter, this special permission was not needed to make these advertising pieces.
I do not know if the Mint was contracted to design and mint the official medal or, if there was a contest to design and a contract to the Mint to mint them or, if there was a contest at all. I am currently waiting to receive a reference book that may give all the details on it.
When you make the next revision, I suggest the following:
1) Make it clear that the so-called dollar is a reduced size copy of the 76mm original.
2) Give a little background information on the small diameter copy.
3) Omit background info on the original and just refer reader to some other sources. The info with the medal listing is both misleading and incorrect. (My book Renaissance of American Coinage 1905-1908 has considerable information on the original medal and Mike Moran’s book Striking Change has additional detail on the Columbian Award medal.)
Just for information, the mint consistently denied permission for anyone to make metal replicas, in any size or metal, of the original. Quite a few award winners wanted to have a silver or gold copy made but were turned down. The mint/Treasury did permit companies to use an illustration of the medal
I think the SCD book should include some background information on original pieces some SCDs were inspired by. This information should be corrected when/if errors are found, with proper citing. I think the SCD book should list other references that contain related information that may be of interest. These two things will make the book richer for people interested in the SCDs and the history and background behind them.
I also think books on coins should provide enough information to satisfy their core readers. It's ok to talk about medals in a book about coins if those medals are of enough interest to the core readers.
<< <i>IMO, the SCD book should provide enough information to satisfy its core readers. Based on this goal:
I think the SCD book should include some background information on original pieces some SCDs were inspired by. This information should be correct when/if errors are found, with proper citing.
I think the SCD book should list other references that contain related information that may be of interest.
I also think books on coins should provide enough information to satisfy their core readers. I don't see anything wrong with talking about medals in a book about coins.
I think the SCD book should have pictures of naked models holding the So Called Dollars!!! >>
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<< <i>IMO, the SCD book should provide enough information to satisfy its core readers. Based on this goal:
I think the SCD book should include some background information on original pieces some SCDs were inspired by. This information should be correct when/if errors are found, with proper citing.
I think the SCD book should list other references that contain related information that may be of interest.
I also think books on coins should provide enough information to satisfy their core readers. I don't see anything wrong with talking about medals in a book about coins.
I think the SCD book should have pictures of naked models holding the So Called Dollars!!! >>
I see you like misquote people by adding your OWN words. You sound like a politician in training!!!
Of course, this may not be that surprising given your choice of avatar and preferences for that coin. Are you trying to push your agenda by making it look like other people want your avatar coin in the SCD book?
<< <i>IMO, the SCD book should provide enough information to satisfy its core readers. Based on this goal:
I think the SCD book should include some background information on original pieces some SCDs were inspired by. >>
If you find any of that information, feel free to share it.
<< <i>This information should be corrected when/if errors are found, with proper citing. >>
Of course any errors that we find will be corrected in future editions. Proper evidence proving a fact is necessary, not just a "because this is likely the fact because I think so".
<< <i>I think the SCD book should list other references that contain related information that may be of interest. >>
I agree. It's called a bibliography. Check it out. It's a pretty comprehensive list, but may not have included every book on exonumia ever publiished.
<< <i>I also think books on coins should provide enough information to satisfy their core readers. It's ok to talk about medals in a book about coins if those medals are of enough interest to the core readers. >>
I encourage you to write a book the way you think it should be written. Many people talk about being experts but never put their information into a book.
I certainly don't consider myself to be any kind of expert on so-called dollars, but felt there was a need to start filling in holes in the original edition. There's a lot more work that needs to be done, but if you read the introduction, we didn't feel that we could make up for 45 years of neglect on the subject in just a year. We now have a great spring board to continue updating the reference and actually provide a central base to provide new information, new discoveries, etc. that wasn't there before. Our general feeling is that 3 or 4 people can't know everything. Bring the entire collecting community together and then share the information and THEN you have a comprehensive book.
I was primarily saying that I feel it's fine to include some background information on original medals, in contrast to another suggestion above.
I'm not sure if MadMarty really wants pictures of naked models holding SCDs in the book. Maybe he does but he's not willing to say it himself. Who knows.
<< <i>Thanks for your reply Tmot99. Best of luck with the book. I think the update is a great contribution.
I was primarily saying that I feel it's fine to include some background information on original medals, in contrast to another suggestion above.
I'm not sure if MadMarty really wants pictures of naked models holding SCDs. Maybe he does but he's not willing to say it himself. Who knows. >>
Got to admit it would make the book interesting!!! But realize my Avitar can't be in the SC$ book, it's coinage! Just check the Krause!