I quit posting on the liteside long ago..... While i know some of them are darksider's, They are alway's polite..... It's a few other's , Especially one creep in particular who think's his sarcastic remark's are humorous, While other's seem to push it on. If he would only open his eye's and shut his mouth, He might just learn something. His day is coming......... What goe's around come's around..........
" I just checked in , Just to see what condition, My condition was in." Kenny Rogers and the 1st. Edition......
I posted everything I have to add to that thread earlier today. There's another "What is this worth" thread over there I was about to post to, but I had second thoughts. Now, after some third and fourth thoughts, I decided to post- not there, but here. I'm basically venting, so feel free to skip ahead to the next thread if you're not interested in that sort of thing.
It always bothers me to hear people who know nothing about coins being told that their coins are "junk". Now, I know that every coin shop on the planet has a "junk" box, but I believe most collectors understand junk to mean a "stuff it's not worth my time to sort through, but you might find something interesting anyway" box. I used to regularly visit a coin shop (note particularly the "used to" part here) where the owner told people that the stuff they brought in was junk. Ironically enough, I was usually going through his junk box at the time, looking for common foreign minors for my collection.
Without even looking, I'm willing to bet I could describe the "junk" these people had- a dozen or so common circulated pieces from Great Britain/France/Germany/Belgium, left to them by their recently deceased father or uncle or grandfather, who brought them back from WWI/II. I can only imagine what it must have been like for those guys, half a world away from home and never knowing for sure if they'd make it back alive. And these few coins were a... well, "souvenir" seems like the wrong word here- maybe "memento" is a better choice... of that awful time.
And now, a coin dealer is telling his heirs that the very coins he went to the trouble to hold onto throughout his ordeals in Europe are junk. Seems almost cruel to me. I can see where it would be okay for two people with comparable numismatic experience to take shots at each other's "junk" or "POS" coins in an effort to prove whose are bigger, but a professional coin dealer (or even an experienced collector) calling a non-collector's prized coins junk (even if they are, in the commonly understood sense in the hobby) is no more sporting than Nolan Ryan throwing brushback pictches to Little Leaguers.
If you've gotten this far, I'd like to leave you with a thought... if you ever find yourself in the position of evaluating a non-collector's coins, could you maybe consider possibly letting them down gently if their "treasures" turn out to be "junk box" fodder?
some interesting thoughts... I think that mrpotatoheadd made helpful observations...
Several folks that post I think try to be friendly and upbeat... sometimes when a coin is posted that has issues I try to honestly post what I think because I would rather be brutally honest than give someone seeking advise a false sense of security. Grading coins and selecting coins to buy is a skill that takes years to learn to do well and even then, mistakes can be made... having said all of this, there is still much to learn here from others and part is how the message is delivered.
I think my comments are alittle different than what mrpotatoheadd is saying... there is a polite way of explaining that the numismatic value does not compare to the sentimental value of certain types of coins family members may have saved.
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One other comment... not everything has to be expensive to be significant from either a historical or artistic perspective which is what makes collecting world coins the great hobby it is.
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
One other thing- I definitely don't mean to say that I think people (in general- no specific poster is being singled out here) are being harsh or hurtful on purpose. What I wrote about above are my own personal thoughts on the topic, and I'm sure there are many other valid and rational ways to approach the situation.
It's just that sometimes, you get to thinking about stuff...
I find myself drifting more and more over to the darkside My wife says sometimes I can be a bit tactless.. So if I ever offend.. just tell me to shut up (she does all the time, so I am used to it)
"I am sorry you are unhappy with the care you recieved, is their anything I can do for you right now, how about some high speed lead therapy?" - A qoute from my wife's nursing forum
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." – Thomas Jefferson
<< <i>I find myself drifting more and more over to the darkside >>
Nothing wrong with that.
This is only my personal opinion, but collecting on the liteside today is way too intense for my liking. And from reading posts in the US forum, it sure sounds like there are a lot of people who are not having any fun at all- it appears to be less a hobby and more a bloodsport. If that's your cup of tea, that's great. But it's not mine.
Doesn't stop me from having opinions on the subject, though...
<< <i>t appears to be less a hobby and more a bloodsport. If that's your cup of tea, that's great. But it's not mine.
Doesn't stop me from having opinions on the subject, though... >>
Wow, never really thought about it that way, but that sounds about right.. lol
"I am sorry you are unhappy with the care you recieved, is their anything I can do for you right now, how about some high speed lead therapy?" - A qoute from my wife's nursing forum
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." – Thomas Jefferson
I agree that the prices quoted (around $150-$250) are pretty accurate in today's market-- frankly, coins like this, to me, are far more interesting and historical than the current retail prices indicate. But as far as the "junk" term, I don't think anyone's coins should be labeled "junk," (I know how deflating that term feels when someone applies it to your historical treasures). On the other hand, USE THE "JUNK" THINKERS TO YOUR ADVANTAGE!! I have acquired MANY rarities over the years simply because there was heavier than seemly wear and/or some kind of damage, so with hardly a second glance, into the "junk" box it went. Case in point--- in a box full of worn mostly 4th century a.d small roman bronze coins, I found a silver denarii of Vitellitus-- one of the truly scarce Twelve Caesars who ruled only three months in A.D 69!
When I stop by coin shops in the States, especially ones with low Darkside inventory (or a few choice overpriced pieces on display), I immediately hit their "junk" boxes. I especially ask if they have a "black book" of counterfeits they've accumulated in the past. I've found quite a few bargains in both of those sources.
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It always bothers me to hear people who know nothing about coins being told that their coins are "junk". Now, I know that every coin shop on the planet has a "junk" box, but I believe most collectors understand junk to mean a "stuff it's not worth my time to sort through, but you might find something interesting anyway" box. I used to regularly visit a coin shop (note particularly the "used to" part here) where the owner told people that the stuff they brought in was junk. Ironically enough, I was usually going through his junk box at the time, looking for common foreign minors for my collection.
Without even looking, I'm willing to bet I could describe the "junk" these people had- a dozen or so common circulated pieces from Great Britain/France/Germany/Belgium, left to them by their recently deceased father or uncle or grandfather, who brought them back from WWI/II. I can only imagine what it must have been like for those guys, half a world away from home and never knowing for sure if they'd make it back alive. And these few coins were a... well, "souvenir" seems like the wrong word here- maybe "memento" is a better choice... of that awful time.
And now, a coin dealer is telling his heirs that the very coins he went to the trouble to hold onto throughout his ordeals in Europe are junk. Seems almost cruel to me. I can see where it would be okay for two people with comparable numismatic experience to take shots at each other's "junk" or "POS" coins in an effort to prove whose are bigger, but a professional coin dealer (or even an experienced collector) calling a non-collector's prized coins junk (even if they are, in the commonly understood sense in the hobby) is no more sporting than Nolan Ryan throwing brushback pictches to Little Leaguers.
If you've gotten this far, I'd like to leave you with a thought... if you ever find yourself in the position of evaluating a non-collector's coins, could you maybe consider possibly letting them down gently if their "treasures" turn out to be "junk box" fodder?
That's all- venting over- carry on.
Several folks that post I think try to be friendly and upbeat... sometimes when a coin is posted that has issues I try to honestly post what I think because I would rather be brutally honest than give someone seeking advise a false sense of security. Grading coins and selecting coins to buy is a skill that takes years to learn to do well and even then, mistakes can be made... having said all of this, there is still much to learn here from others and part is how the message is delivered.
I think my comments are alittle different than what mrpotatoheadd is saying... there is a polite way of explaining that the numismatic value does not compare to the sentimental value of certain types of coins family members may have saved.
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
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Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
It's just that sometimes, you get to thinking about stuff...
"I am sorry you are unhappy with the care you recieved, is their anything I can do for you right now, how about some high speed lead therapy?" - A qoute from my wife's nursing forum
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." – Thomas Jefferson
<< <i>I find myself drifting more and more over to the darkside
Nothing wrong with that.
This is only my personal opinion, but collecting on the liteside today is way too intense for my liking. And from reading posts in the US forum, it sure sounds like there are a lot of people who are not having any fun at all- it appears to be less a hobby and more a bloodsport. If that's your cup of tea, that's great. But it's not mine.
Doesn't stop me from having opinions on the subject, though...
<< <i>t appears to be less a hobby and more a bloodsport. If that's your cup of tea, that's great. But it's not mine.
Doesn't stop me from having opinions on the subject, though...
Wow, never really thought about it that way, but that sounds about right.. lol
"I am sorry you are unhappy with the care you recieved, is their anything I can do for you right now, how about some high speed lead therapy?" - A qoute from my wife's nursing forum
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." – Thomas Jefferson
interesting and historical than the current retail prices indicate. But as far as the "junk" term, I don't think anyone's coins should be
labeled "junk," (I know how deflating that term feels when someone applies it to your historical treasures). On the other hand, USE
THE "JUNK" THINKERS TO YOUR ADVANTAGE!! I have acquired MANY rarities over the years simply because there was heavier than
seemly wear and/or some kind of damage, so with hardly a second glance, into the "junk" box it went. Case in point--- in a box full
of worn mostly 4th century a.d small roman bronze coins, I found a silver denarii of Vitellitus-- one of the truly scarce Twelve Caesars
who ruled only three months in A.D 69!
8 Reales Madness Collection