Never ever buy a raw trade dollar off ebay...

tradedollarnut

....even if the seller has a good story! Fake 1878-CC with story

I very politely contacted this seller and explained it was a fake. Here's his response:

I see nothing that looks like a berry under the eagles claws. I bought this coin as part of as small collection of early American coins 21 years ago. The widow I bought it from said her husband collected them years before. I know that fakes and reproductions are rampant but to the best of my knowledge this is not one of them. I don't think there were many reproductions 40 or more years ago. Thank you for your interest.

And yet there's very clearly a berry under the claw:


And here's the real deal:

fc

some people on ebay simply do not want to think they own a fake
and are more then willing to screw the next person in line.

you will probably have to use photoshop to circle the offending berry
and send pics of a good and bad dollar just to knock it into their head
they have a bad coin.

Lakesammman

That was a berry astute pickup.

fc

<< <i>That was a berry astute pickup. >>



groan :-|

heh

DorkGirl

140216564813 (For the copy and pasters)

I finally see the berry.

Reported.

CarsonCityGold

<< <i>That was a berry astute pickup. >>

cmerlo1

Once again, thank you for a very informative thread!

MidLifeCrisis

<< <i>That was a berry astute pickup. >>


I winced when I read that.

lcoopie

never ever buy a raw trade dollar off ebay <<

That sounds like good advise for most people, but have you followed this advise?

CarsonCityGold

Mines almost as nice as TDN's. Well at least it doesn't have any berries.

lkrarecoins

sounds like the seller is a Berry, of the dingle variety!

lloydmincy

I noticed on TDN's dollar, the "CC" is stamped directly under the period in "Grains". Jimmy's and the fake one have the CC stamped to the left of the period. Does that matter?? Different Variety??

tradedollarnut

<< <i>I noticed on TDN's dollar, the "CC" is stamped directly under the period in "Grains". Jimmy's and the fake one have the CC stamped to the left of the period. Does that matter?? Different Variety?? >>



There are two mintmark positions for the 1878-CC. 'Well centered' and 'far to the right' [as on my coin].

Russ

The seller listened after all:



<< <i>Bid retraction and cancellation history

Bidder Action / Explanation Date of Bid and Retraction
Bidder 5***5 Cancelled: US $500.00
Explanation: Several people say this is fake. Bid: Mar-17-08 19:44:14 PDT
Cancelled: Mar-24-08 09:12:31 PDT

Bidder l***u Cancelled: US $500.00
Explanation: Several people think this is fake. Bid: Mar-20-08 18:36:33 PDT
Cancelled: Mar-24-08 09:11:30 PDT >>



Russ, NCNE

greghansen

Interesting. Nobody has mentioned that this reverse also has the appearance of the '76-CC DDR, with strong doubling on the right (as you face the coin) wing tip. I would actually like to see this coin to see if this is the same counterfeit reverse that is paired with the known deceptive 1876-CC DDR coin. Of course, the reverse is more deceptive on a 1876 dated coin because the genuine '76-CC DDR comes with the berry under claw. And, of course, there is no known '78-CC DDR, so either the berry under claw or the doubling on wing tips would give it away on their own.

BBN

looks like he's taking advice, but cannot cancel the auction. He's clearly warning people not to bid

BECOKA

Sorry TDN, can you provide the medium or large version of yours? Seems too small to compare.

Also do you happen to have a larger pic of a counterfeit example? I see a dot and a nick under the eagles claw but can't tell from the photo with no experience on what the counterfeit is supposed to look like.

tradedollarnut

Doogy

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FAKE! FAKE! BEWARE, if he ever tries to sell this!

Barry

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What about that berry next to the S in GRAINS?

LincolnCentMan

I've only bought one raw trade dollar off ebay. The sucker was fake. I sent it back....

-David

TorinoCobra71

The auction has been nuked...........

TC71

seatedcoins

Please inform the seller that I would like to buy it real cheap so I can rip an unsuspecting buyer.

ed to add: I simply do not know enough about the difference between the real one and all the different varieties of the fakes to risk purchasing one.

Would anyone be interested in starting a thread with extreme closeup pictures of the discrepancies? That would be a pretty cool and helpful thread.

TwoSides2aCoin

Thanks Bruce. These type threads should be locked at the top for a while so new collectors can be made aware. Unfortunately, so many good threads that are educational never see the light of the next day around here.

Joe26

Most people, even some B and M dealers, don't know any better. Last week at my local B and M, I asked the owner if he had any proof Morgan dollars and he told me there weren't any proof Morgan dollars made. I should have gone through his Morgan dollars and try to get a "you suck award" but instead just left.

Connecticoin

TDN, what became of that raw Seated Dollar you bought a while back?

timcoin

You know, someone should submit an article to CW, or maybe even write a book, on what to avoid on ebay. Maybe title it, "101 Things to Avoid on Ebay, A guide for the coin collector." You could include everything from this topic's heading to what grading services to avoid. I'd buy it.

cmerlo1

<< <i>You know, someone should submit an article to CW, or maybe even write a book, on what to avoid on ebay. Maybe title it, "101 Things to Avoid on Ebay, A guide for the coin collector." You could include everything from this topic's heading to what grading services to avoid. I'd buy it. >>




I'm giving a presentation to the local coin club on that subject in the near future...

seatedcoins

<< <i>You know, someone should submit an article to CW, or maybe even write a book, on what to avoid on ebay. Maybe title it, "101 Things to Avoid on Ebay, A guide for the coin collector." You could include everything from this topic's heading to what grading services to avoid. I'd buy it. >>



I like the idea of the article, possibly a very concise guide on ebay. A website would be very good with close up images of fakes to watch out for. If anyone wanted to do a website I would be willing to do what it takes to get the website listed on the front page of search engines

garsmith

<< Never ever buy a raw trade dollar off ebay... >>

Unless you are on first name basis with the seller and they have a satifaction guaranteed or 100% refund policy.

tradedollarnut

<< <i>TDN, what became of that raw Seated Dollar you bought a while back? >>



It's sitting in a flip in the safe deposit box. I haven't done anything with it.

Fairlaneman

Someone got a deal on the chopped trade dollar I sold a year or so ago. Its now in a PCGS slab at a grade higher.

Ken

tradedollarnut

There was a thread about a year ago where keoj and I went into detail of what we look for when trying to determine off an image if a trade dollar is fake. Maybe somebody [more adept at the search feature than I] can find it.

MORGANHUNTER2

900 looked a bit tight for the one you put out there TD- but the guy pulled the auction!