HK-852 silver
DUIGUY
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note the s 7:00 reverse, This one is proof condition but my photo skills suck. 
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly."
- Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 BC
- Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 BC
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This one was struck by Robert Bashlow, who also did copper and "goldine" strikes without the letter.
TD
<< <i>The S stands for Silver.
This one was struck by Robert Bashlow, who also did copper and "goldine" strikes without the letter.
TD >>
This is correct.
- Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 BC
Are the Dickeson pieces considered fantasy coins or counterfeit coins or something else?
<< <i>i have a Dickeson piece in my collection, i'll see if i can find any pictures i might have. the principal diagnostics for the restrikes of the 1960's and the original copies struck by Dickeson in 1876 is the thickness of the planchets, the addition of the "S" on the silver issues and some minor die anomolies. in the original Hibler-Kappen book, the medals numbered HK-852 through 856 are wrongly termed Restrikes when they are actually copies on newly made dies. the 1960 issues are true restrikes, made on the copy dies from 1876 by Dickeson. >>
keets is correct. Originals 3mm thick, restrikes 2.5mm thick.
- Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 BC
<< <i>I have yet to see a Dickeson strike. How rare are those and how can you tell them apart? Composition?
Are the Dickeson pieces considered fantasy coins or counterfeit coins or something else? >>
The Dickeson strikes are from a much earlier "die state" that shows the sundial sitting on a table top. This detail was lost in the copying of the dies.
I list various die characteristics in my article on Elder medals.
TD
Fortunately I just purchased a set of 1980's The Numismatist and could read Tom DeLorey's excellent articles on this subject. I was not aware of his work in this area until today. Here are a few similar pieces I have on my desk at the moment:
<< <i>those central details at the sundial are especially helpful with encapsulated White Metal examples. at the 2006 Central States summer show in Columbus Jeff Shevlin "approved" my medal as having been correctly holdered by NGC. that was where i was made aware of that diagnostic and i'm still not totally certain abouyt how to discern the two. can you shed some light on it, Tom?? >>
See the horizontal line below the sundial? On the original Dickeson die there is a parallel line just above the sundial delineating the far side of the table the sundial is resting on, and some slight texturing between the two parallel lines to denote the table top iitself.
If somebody could just run a picture of a Dickeson strike it will be quite obvious.
TD
Another usually-obvious indicator of the 1960s strikes is a prominent die scratch below the C in CONTINENTAL diagonally through the outer circle. You can often spot that scratch even in low-quality pictures. Oddly, I can't see it in DUIGUY's pics, which just goes to show that nothing is a perfect tset.
If somebody could just run a picture of a Dickeson strike it will be quite obvious.
The image I posted was quick and not very good, but you can still see traces of the table top on the upper two pieces.
TD