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Is anyone bothered by the Mint producing "retreads"?

SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,500 ✭✭✭✭✭
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This question is prompted by the thread about the CW article about the Mint possible making High Relief and/or Ultra High Relief bullion Saints in 2009.

The ASE is a retread of the Walking Liberty Half and the AGE is a retread of the $20 Double Eagle Saint.

I like the designs of these bullion coins, but geeze, how about a 21st Century replay of the tossing of the Liberty Nickel, Barber Series, and Liberty Gold and the introduction of coins like the Buffalo nickel, Mercury dime, SLQ, Walkers and the $2.50 & $5.00 incuse Indian, $10.00 Indian and $20.00 Saint gold coins.

Have medallic artists come up with inspiring new designs and have new circulating coinage produced with "relief" much higher and more attractive that the flat cr*p that is produced today (does anyone actually like the appearance of a 2008 cent, nickel, dime or quarter?).

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  • clackamasclackamas Posts: 5,615 ✭
    No I am not bothered. They seem to have lost the artistry of the old age. With this in mind would you rather have terrible new designs or a change to own a restrike of a classic design? I'll take a chance to own a MS High Relief on my budget.
  • CratylusCratylus Posts: 871 ✭
    In my opinion, any return to the golden age of mint designs is better than the junk they put out now. I sure wish they would do it with circulating coins though.
  • BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,961 ✭✭✭
    I would rather collect nice reproductions of classics until they finally design something worthy. The Platinum eagle designs are nice but too expensive.
  • fcfc Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭
    ask me, the mint is taking a play from hollywood.
    it is less risker and easier to put out the same old, same old,
    then it is to take a risk with something new.

    they are guaranteed to sell so many by using tried and true
    designs.

    ask me, this is just another sign of the decline of moderns to the
    bullion heap or dust bin.

    it is all so boring. like most movies, part I, II, III, and etc..

    just my two cents.
  • RWBRWB Posts: 8,082 ✭
    In a nation of 300 million, there have to be sculptors of world-class talent. They should be designing today's coins. With few exceptions, the old designs should be left to their era.
  • ProofCollectionProofCollection Posts: 6,731 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It would be nice to see some modern designs. How about coins with cell phones, PDA's, computers, and plasma TV's on them?

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  • TrustNo1TrustNo1 Posts: 1,359 ✭
    I'd love to see new halves with the WL design
  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭
    If there is no artistic ability or will to create new designs in the "classic" vein, then so be it -- these retreads are better than nothing. But as already mentioned, I really wish they'd do it to the coinage we see in commerce, though. I'm sick of dead presidents on coins.
  • WalmannWalmann Posts: 2,806 ✭
    If the mint allowed a group such as the ANA (via vote of its membership) to make selection of designs for new issues by an open competetion, I believe the talent is out there that some great designs would be issued. Allowing the paper pushers at the federal level to select designs will pretty much guarantee dull coins.

    Until that time I wouldn't mind seeing reissues of some classic designs, bust halves instead of Kennedy, seated liberty quarters or halves....

    And instead of putting my two cents in, just reissue the old two cent pieces.
  • sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭
    I am not interested in retreads. Why can't we come up with new designs? The Sac and the 2005 nickel obverse show that it is possible but there just doesn't seem to be the will.
  • giardinopgiardinop Posts: 50
    It is nice to see the old designs re-introduced.

    I would rather prefer they do limited runs of these coins. Every year or two intorduce a new retro design. Retire the old ones. It would make for a nice sub-set.

    Chances are the mint will go where the money is and retread the old stuff until demand falls off.

    I'd love to see nice proof versions of the half dime, 3 cent and flying eagle cent.....in the orignal metal compsitions and with modern dates applied. They'd look nice in a specialty album side-by-side with an original.
  • drwstr123drwstr123 Posts: 7,045 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Too many talentless, relatives of politicians working there for any real art.
  • tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭


    i agree with you. take a look at some of the commemoratives also! there are some real beauties!

    reply to sumnom
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,628 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm personally against recycling old designs. Are we so devoid of artistic talent that we can't come up with some new designs that have merit? If the mint can't come up with artistic designs, they should hire some outside artists like Teddy R. did.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
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  • garsmithgarsmith Posts: 5,894 ✭✭
    I would rather see a classic design reintroduced than see more of the arcade token designs that have been coming out in production lately.
  • sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭


    << <i>i agree with you. take a look at some of the commemoratives also! there are some real beauties!

    reply to sumnom >>



    There are some nice modern commemoratives but they don't move me all that much. I referred to the nickel and sac designs because they were on business strikes.
  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,702 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think this is one of the most damning things of all about our times and we'll be judged harshly in the future because of it.

    On the other hand coins are treated as bing obsolete so maybe it's more damning for coins than our times.

    It's still pathetic to dig up old designs, and usually modify them, when there are many thousands of very talented artists capable of creating designs that are more in keeping with our times.
    Tempus fugit.
  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,275 ✭✭✭
    I wouldn't mind if they used this design:

    image
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  • sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I think this is one of the most damning things of all about our times and we'll be judged harshly in the future because of it.

    On the other hand coins are treated as bing obsolete so maybe it's more damning for coins than our times.

    It's still pathetic to dig up old designs, and usually modify them, when there are many thousands of very talented artists capable of creating designs that are more in keeping with our times. >>



    It is sad, I agree. I love many of the old designs but I can just go ahead and collect those. Currently circulating coinage designs should be completely overhauled and eschew commemorative themes. Many have said this already but designs that speak to American ideals will make for more inspirational coinage. I just can't get very excited about more portraiture and buildings.
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>ask me, the mint is taking a play from hollywood.
    it is less risker and easier to put out the same old, same old,
    then it is to take a risk with something new. >>

    The Mint is also putting out many new designs and many of those new designs are selling out.

    Regarding, using classic designs, It could be they are just catering to what collectors want.
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  • SkyManSkyMan Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, considering we have Bush II and may have Clinton II what do you expect?

    I am quite bothered by the Mint producing retreads. There are many talented artists now-a-days that I'm sure could create something that resonates with today and is classic in it's own way.
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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm quite looking forward to the 2009 ultra high relief Saint. This could be a great coin for YNs and many other collectors image
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  • sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭
    I dunno, Zoins. It just seems like a souvenir to me. Now I know that NCLT is LT but it when a coin is produced for a collector rathar than commerce, it feels like akin to a Beanie Baby.

    (Let the flaming commence...)
  • SwampboySwampboy Posts: 13,089 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>In a nation of 300 million, there have to be sculptors of world-class talent. They should be designing today's coins. With few exceptions, the old designs should be left to their era. >>



    That's an excellent point.

    "Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working" Pablo Picasso

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It seems that many people are eager for the 2009 UHR Saint.

    To each their own image
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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>In a nation of 300 million, there have to be sculptors of world-class talent. They should be designing today's coins. With few exceptions, the old designs should be left to their era. >>

    This is a nation of 300 million that can't get enough of the retro Mustang (how many Shelby varieties are there now?) and the upcoming retro Camaros and Challengers. Of course, it's also a country that loves the non-retro Corvette and Viper. And some don't even like American! image

    In a nation of 300 million, people will have different preferences.
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  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,702 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>It seems that many people are eager for the 2009 UHR Saint.

    To each their own image >>



    It's natural for many people to want these for a wide array of reasons.

    It's not natural for a great state to retread old designs. It's a sign of stagnation.
    Tempus fugit.
  • SwampboySwampboy Posts: 13,089 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>In a nation of 300 million, there have to be sculptors of world-class talent. They should be designing today's coins. With few exceptions, the old designs should be left to their era. >>

    This is a nation of 300 million that can't get enough of the retro Mustang (how many Shelby varieties are there now?) and the upcoming retro Camaros and Challengers. Of course, it's a country that loves the non-retro Corvette and Viper. And some don't even like American! image

    In a nation of 300 million, people will have different preferences. >>



    As soon as I start appreciating mediocrity, I will probably probably begin to develpop a taste for it too.

    "Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working" Pablo Picasso

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>As soon as I start appreciating mediocrity, I will probably probably begin to develpop a taste for it too. >>

    Is that bashing? image
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  • percybpercyb Posts: 3,333 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>In my opinion, any return to the golden age of mint designs is better than the junk they put out now. I sure wish they would do it with circulating coins though. >>



    I like the return idea, but I do like the mint designs they have today. I like the idea of changing the look of the stash that they sell.
    "Poets are the unacknowledged legislators of the world." PBShelley
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>It seems that many people are eager for the 2009 UHR Saint.

    To each their own image >>

    It's natural for many people to want these for a wide array of reasons.

    It's not natural for a great state to retread old designs. It's a sign of stagnation. >>

    The US isn't retreading old designs for circulation coinage. In fact, for circulation coinage, the US is going where no country has gone before.

    The return to classic coin designs is for collectors and bullion investors ... because that's what many of those people want. Are you saying collectors are stagnating?
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,628 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>It seems that many people are eager for the 2009 UHR Saint.

    To each their own image >>



    Maybe they like the design and can't afford an original.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • percybpercyb Posts: 3,333 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>It would be nice to see some modern designs. How about coins with cell phones, PDA's, computers, and plasma TV's on them? >>



    Good idea, and then they could tint them computer blue or cell phone red or plasma grey.
    "Poets are the unacknowledged legislators of the world." PBShelley
  • RonLJrRonLJr Posts: 174
    Most of the "so called"artist the mint now use are graduates of "Stick figure College of Art" image
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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Most of the "so called"artist the mint now use are graduates of "Stick figure College of Art" >>

    How about Action Figure Sculpture image
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