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My first Half Dime, 1858-O.

SkyManSkyMan Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭✭✭
I'm personally not a big fan of Half Dimes or Trimes, not because they are unattractive, but rather because they are so small. With these old eyeballs it's just too tough to see much of anything. However, once you get them under a loupe they can be very attractive indeed, and I certainly like looking at pictures of nice ones. About 6-9 months ago I decided to build a no gold set (well, maybe 1 or 2) of coins from 1858 (100 years before I was born). Of course that means 1 Trime and 2 Half Dimes. Here's the first Half Dime that has really appealed to me from that year. It's clashed up the wazinga, and Lady Liberty has decided to go on a diet by stapling part of her stomach shut. The colors have a nice iridescence quotient to them. The coin is graded NGC MS65 (CAC approved), and I fully agree with the grade.

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  • STONESTONE Posts: 15,275
    Its a great looking coin.

    I love the clash marks image
  • dohdoh Posts: 6,457 ✭✭✭
    Definitely very pretty. Nice pick up image
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  • OneCentOneCent Posts: 3,561
    Nice Coin, Sy! image

    Not a big fan of half dismes but I do like seated liberty and the big fat "O" mintmark is cool. Is your goal to complete the 100 years prior to birth set in MS65?
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  • SkyManSkyMan Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks guys, glad you like it



    << <i>Nice Coin, Sy! image

    Not a big fan of half dismes but I do like seated liberty and the big fat "O" mintmark is cool. Is your goal to complete the 100 years prior to birth set in MS65? >>



    My goal is to complete it in MS. Depending on the cost of the denomination/date/mm that may go as high as a 66. My one other coin is an MS62 P half dollar, so that's most likely about as low as I'd go. Generally I'm figuring in the 64 range.


    EDITED TO ADD: WOW!!! After looking at Roadrunners comments on the next page, I just looked at the rarity of some of the branch mint stuff. It looks like for the S mint 10c and 25c I will be doing AU coins. The O mint 25c I may do AU58 depending on what I find in the MS62-3 category.
  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 10,997 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice pastel toned H10c!image
  • dizzyfoxxdizzyfoxx Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭
    Beautiful H10 Sy, I love it! I actually lean towards a coin like that ('O' Mint a few years prior to the Civil War) as a Confederate type coin.image
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  • DJCoinzDJCoinz Posts: 3,856
    That's a lovely coin. Very nice!
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  • BarbercoinBarbercoin Posts: 1,032 ✭✭✭
    Nice one!

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  • MrHalfDimeMrHalfDime Posts: 3,440 ✭✭✭✭
    SkyMan:

    That is certainly one beautiful half dime. Of course, unlike yourself and a few others here, I have no aversion to the little half dimes; in fact I rather like them. My eyesight is also starting to wane (I apparently have 9 years on you), but that is what good optics are for. With a good loupe and a stereo microscope the half dimes can provide all of the beauty and enjoyment of their larger sisters.

    I was unsure of the numismatic term "wazinga", and could not find it any reference in my library, but I believe that you are duly impressed with the magnitude of the clash marks. This is actually not uncommon for the denomination, with spectacular and well known clash marked varieties like the 1860-O V2, wherein the denomination can be easily read not only in the obverse field, but also across Miss Liberty's torso.

    I attempted to attribute your beautiful half dime, but with all of the obverse design except the date part of the hub, and all of the reverse design except the mint mark part of the hub, there aren't too many diagnostics to go by. Your coin is just too perfect, with no die cracks or die deterioration to help identify it.

    Congratulations on a gorgeous coin. Oh, and don't worry. That sticker will come right off. image
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  • etexmikeetexmike Posts: 6,850 ✭✭✭
    That is a great looking coin for your first half dime purchase. image

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  • sparky64sparky64 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Now you did it.
    You've set a high standard for yourself.
    I like alot.

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  • jhdflajhdfla Posts: 3,030 ✭✭✭
    Great coin, love the original color too. Congrats.. Was going to mention the neat clash marks of the upper part of the shield on the rev but someone already did.

    John
  • That is one of the coolest HD's I've seen in a while- love the color and the clash marks. Way PQ in my book.
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  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,523 ✭✭✭✭✭
    SkyMan, I really like your half dime too! Of course, I knew you had a good eye for quality, even before this new purchase. The year 1858 in half dimes has a couple of interesting varieties: the 1858 over inverted date, where the date was originally punched into the die upside down, and the 1858 repunched date, where the date is completely repunched. The repunched date is apparently very scarce. I recently had one for sale, and when I did research on it, I found that during the 13 years of Heritage's archives, they had sold exactly FIVE of the 1858 repunched dates identified as such, and only 3 were above Good condition.

    I'm a bit surprised MrHalfDime didn't mention this. image

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  • MrHalfDimeMrHalfDime Posts: 3,440 ✭✭✭✭
    "I'm a bit surprised MrHalfDime didn't mention this."

    Well, I guess there's no need for me to comment when you do such an elegant job.

    It is true that the 1858 Doubled Date V10 is quite rare, but they can be found when you know what to look for. Years ago someone estimated that the 1858 Doubled Date is "ten times" as rare as the 1858 V9 Inverted Date, and observational analysis of this variety would seem to concur with that estimate. Both the 1858 Inverted Date and 1858 Doubled Date are easily identified by simply studying the date area, even on relatively low grade coins. For the 1858 V9 Inverted Date, the underdigits (first struck digits) are visible between the final digits. For the 1858 Doubled Date, however, the underdigits are visible inside the final digits, particularly visible inside the loops of the 8's.

    Over many years of searching, I have managed to acquire nine (9) examples of the 1858 V10 Doubled Date, the finest an MS-60, plus two AU's, two EF's, two VF's, and two examples in F grade. For the 1858 Inverted Date, I have acquired seven (7) total examples, including one MS-60, one AU, three VF's, one F, and one VG. One should not apply too much significance to the relative numbers that I have found, however. The 1858 V9 Inverted Date always comes very weakly struck, possibly affecting the overall grading of this variety.
    They that can give up essential Liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither Liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin
  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,523 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for amplifying on this, MrHalfDime. Good diagnostic you provided, also, distinguishing between the 2 varieties.



    << <i>Over many years of searching, I have managed to acquire nine (9) examples of the 1858 V10 Doubled Date, the finest an MS-60, plus two AU's, two EF's, two VF's, and two examples in F grade. >>


    So that's where all of them are!

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  • SkyManSkyMan Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thank you Mr. HalfDime and Rich for all the information. I was also informed ATS that this coin is a Valentine 4 variety.
  • That's a purty one, Skyman!
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice original half dime for a somewhat underrated year and mint. Most come looking like sort of plain (dipped) or just ugly. Strikes are not always as good as this. Let's just say 1858-0 is one of those that often comes without much eye appeal. Finding full blown original gems is not easy.

    In the 1980's I was assembling an 1858 New Orleans silver set and already had the dime and quarter in gem (the two stoppers of the set...each of those is still the finest known today but I no longer own them - the dime is a 66 today and the quarter would be one as well if it showed up again...it was graded MS65 in 1990.). I could never find the "easier" half dime or half dollar in full blown gem and settled with so-so MS63's at the time. I sold the set in 1990. When I finally ran across a gem or two of the half dime in the 1990's it was way too late. So this year and mint always brings back fond memories to me. While I can find the half dime and half today, I could never duplicate the quarter as there is only one to my knowledge that is worthy. "There can only be one, McCloud."

    roadrunner
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