First experience with NPB....will I get fees back? Updated!!
Steviedoobie
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Yesterday I listed a 2007 Topps Chrome Red Refractor Football Set on ebay and a seller that has the same set for sale bought my item within 15 minutes of it being listed. He then sends me an email saying; "You want to mess with me, You don't know who you're F--king with?" Wow....I was shocked to say the least. I'm sure this guy isn't going to pay for the item and I'll have to file a NPB after seven days. Will I get my fees back? If I decited to pursue this guy with legal action (it's $3200 bucks) could I win?
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And I dont think legal action is necessary since you're not "out" the set. You still have it.
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Somebody here, I think Storm, has a contact with ebay. See if you can find that person, and turn the loser in for auction interference.
<< <i>I would definitely bring it to Ebay's attention. Then as already mentioned relist and block the bidder.
mathew >>
i agree, and you will get your fees back
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Second, lets send him some offers haha. His Auction
Nothing low ball, I will be offering tens of dollars.
Otherwise, call T&S. Ask for a supervisor.
Be prepared to FAX a hard-copy of the
message from the psycho.
Tell T&S that you feel threatened and
are "afraid to list anything else on EBAY."
Auction interference is a TOS violation. If
the scumster is a favorite PSer, nothing
will happen to him; otherwise, he should
be NARUd.
All of your FVF fees will be refunded. You
can ask for the listing fees, but they are
likely lost.
The guy has engaged in unfair business practices.
If he lived in your jurisdiction, you could sue him
in Small Claims.
If you have a friend with disposable IDs, perhaps
the sumbag's listings will have some fast problems.
<< <i>also Stevie, I am not sure but I believe your "Pick 5" style auctions might be a violation. I know they used to be, but maybe they are ok now? Anyone know? >>
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They are a violation. EBAY would have pulled the listing, if it was reported.
THAT could throw a wrench in the T&S negotiations.
"Unclean Hands," and all that jazz might be brought up. A poofed listing,
for a TOS, is usually not entitled to listing fee refunds. BUT, that should
not nullify the request for FVFs.
If the guy has a friend there, he can raise YOUR TOS violation as part
of his defense. He could get out of paying after the fact by saying he
"just realized" that the listing was a TOS and does not want to pay for it.
YOUR FVFs would still be refunded.
Anyway, call T&S, and if they gripe about the pick-em listing just say,
"Ohmy. I am terribly sorry. I did not know that was against the rules."
The issue is NOT, obviously, profanity. It is auction interference.
The security #s are on the site. T&S is usually no more
than a few minutes wait.
Live-Help (dead help) is a waste of time. CALL T&S.
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In the EBAY survey I took last week, one of the questions
was:
"When you contact Live Help, does it seem like you are
communicating with a real person?"
YIKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe the freaky typers ARE robots.
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If a competitor does not complain, they usually don't get pulled.
They are TOS violations because they deprive EBAY of additional
listing fees.
Picks that are OK include IDENTICAL garments that are s/m/l.
A hard-butt T&S shopper will cancel listings that offer "s/m/l
in Pink or Blue." EBAY wants things listed ala carte so they
can collect listing-fees on EVERY item.
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Sounds like the guy is a real psycho punk.
hmmmm. lol."
and now more
"its funny to hear from someone about competition from
someone who hasnt sold a card woth more than 10 dollars in
years. do yourself a favor and go talk with the rest of the loosers
who cant afford to buy something more than 10 dollars. i dont
have time to go back and forth with a guy who sells cards worth
less than a pack of cigarettes. lol."
Steve
In order to do a choice auction you have to be able to fulfill all possible orders:
Say I am selling womens dresses I list 25 available in the listing, but only have 10 large, 10 medium and 5 smalls. If 20 people wanted larges I could not fulfill the listing that would be a violation. Now if I had 25 of each size then yes I could list it that way since I can fill all possible orders.
Since this is not a dutch auction and you are listing the cards available including multiple quantities if available you are able to fulfill the listing. I may be wrong, but that is how it was explained to me by a Power Seller rep a couple of years ago.
<< <i>I spoke to Trust and Security and they said to just relist the item (which I did) and to just end the item if this guy actually pays. I would love it if he was stupid enough to pay $3200 for this item. We'll see what happens? >>
Man they are bright too. If you relist now you will not get a relist credit after you complete the UPI on the item. If you wait you will get a relist credit should the item sell on the relist after the UPI is finished.
<< <i>I asked him how he can state there is 0% chance another set will be made when he just bought another one. His response was.. "well gee there buddy did you just come up with that all by yourself.
hmmmm. lol."
and now more
"its funny to hear from someone about competition from
someone who hasnt sold a card woth more than 10 dollars in
years. do yourself a favor and go talk with the rest of the loosers
who cant afford to buy something more than 10 dollars. i dont
have time to go back and forth with a guy who sells cards worth
less than a pack of cigarettes. lol." >>
Gee
Guys like this make card collecting fun
<< <i>Not that it matters but did you even know another set was already on the bay?
Steve >>
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Yeah, it's the reason I listed my item.....I wanted to have something for potential buyers to see as an option. I have the two main cards graded 10's by PSA.
<< <i>Man they are bright too. If you relist now you will not get a relist credit after you complete the UPI on the item. If you wait you will get a relist credit should the item sell on the relist after the UPI is finished. >>
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That was one of my concerns but the rep assured me that I'll get a relisting credit if the UPI is completed.
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"I was interested in this set until I noticed you bought another 1 on ebay.
I guess this isnt the only out there. I am interested in the 1 you just
bought with the PSA 10's. Will you be listing that?"
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<< <i>I asked him how he can state there is 0% chance another set will be made when he just bought another one. His response was.. "well gee there buddy did you just come up with that all by yourself.
hmmmm. lol."
and now more
"its funny to hear from someone about competition from
someone who hasnt sold a card woth more than 10 dollars in
years. do yourself a favor and go talk with the rest of the loosers
who cant afford to buy something more than 10 dollars. i dont
have time to go back and forth with a guy who sells cards worth
less than a pack of cigarettes. lol." >>
Gee
Guys like this make card collecting fun >>
Yea, some people. Guess he didnt see that card I bought 2 1/2 years ago for $14. lol
Also communicating with this guy
here
I played dumb and he claimed it was rare etc. I finally straight out asked if it was homemade and he went around the question..again. I then said this is fake etc etc and we then exchanged words for awhile.
Someone cut the corners with scrapbooking sizzors ? and added a 1/1 sticker. lol
" like oh my god, its like totally unreal!! like of my god, your like interested in the one i bought, like oh my god, i like wasnt going to like sell it but if you like like it ill like sell it to you. like oh my god."
I sent a reply..
Huh? Seeing I know what you bought it for, how much would you
want on a quick flip on it? When do you expect to have it?
He wants $3500
I said...
Sounds good. When will you have it?
LMK
Doubt you will get payment though...
Looking for Charlie (Charley) Maxwell cards.
"Is that how much your mother is worth? Naa....I doubt if she's worth that much except maybe to some homeless out of work guys."
He thinks he is a Soprano.
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<< <i>Man they are bright too. If you relist now you will not get a relist credit after you complete the UPI on the item. If you wait you will get a relist credit should the item sell on the relist after the UPI is finished. >>
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That was one of my concerns but the rep assured me that I'll get a relisting credit if the UPI is completed. >>
DO NOT FOLLOW THE ADVISE OF THAT REP!! You will not get your relisting credit. You will get your FVFs but not the relist credit they are 2 seperate things. Anytime an item ends without a bidder or a completed UPI you can relist the item using the relist button. You will have to pay basic listing fees for the relist but once the item gets a bid the listing fee is refunded to your account.
DO ME A FAVOR AND GO TALK TO THE REST OF YOUR GAY LOOSER BUDDIES AND FIND SOMETHING NEW TO DO OTHER THAN BACKDOOR EACH OTHER AND WEAR EACH OTHERS DRESSES. MAYBE GET A JOB THAT PAYS WELL ENOUGH SO YOU CAN AFFORD A SET LIKE THIS. WELFARE WOULD HELP SINCE YOU AND YOUR BUDDIES PROBLY DONT HAVE ANY SKILLS OTHER THAN JACKIN EACH OTHER OFF.
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If ebay follows through with their change in feedback (coming in May I think), this will open the doors to crazy NPB'ers like this guy!
<< <i>I was right....he didn't pay! At least I got my FVF back (over $60 in this case). I left him negative feedback and of course he retaliated. I'm not too worried about the neg on my feedback.....I think buyers will see the true story on this one.
If ebay follows through with their change in feedback (coming in May I think), this will open the doors to crazy NPB'ers like this guy! >>
on the feedback it would have maybe been better if you would have listed his item number and said he was interfering with your auction, that way people can tell he had no intention to pay
1. 75-76 Topps Keith/Jamaal Wilkes in Psa 8+
2. 1971-72 Trio stickers PSA 8+
3. BSKB 1977-78 topps psa 10
Basketball Autos
1992 Courtside Flashback
Action Packed HOF Autos(need elvin hayes,both bill bradley,and the 1st bill walton)
2001 and 2005 Greats of the Game
UD=retro,epic,legends,legendary,generations and chronology
2006 Topps Style 1952 Fan Favorites Autos #/10 (Refractor Autos)
Press Pass Legends
<< <i>They have said that they are going to do something in regards to NPBs on the feedback issue. Just no clue what it is yet. As it is now a buyer can leave feedback for any item they purchase, but if they do not repsond to the UPI the feedback is removed but the comment remains. Maybe they will fix it to where this applies to all completed UPIs not just the ones that are not responded to, >>
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If I call ebay customer service....I can have the negative strike against me taken away?