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An example of a King Farouk cleaning

EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Here is a unique 1864 With L Proof Indian Cent struck in Oroide, which is from the Farouk collection. It is beautiful but in different lights you can see the various harilines that were probably put on by King Farouk (or his private coin cleaner).

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  • secondrepublicsecondrepublic Posts: 2,619 ✭✭✭
    Ouch!
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  • tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭


    when your a king there's nothing that can't be done...image
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  • relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 8,103 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Did the harilines prevent it from slabbing or did they turn a blind eye due to the provinience?

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  • IGWTIGWT Posts: 4,975 ✭
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  • drwstr123drwstr123 Posts: 7,045 ✭✭✭✭✭
    'Twas a different mindset back then,
  • cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 7,934 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sad, but an interesting part of the history of the coin...
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  • curlycurly Posts: 2,880 ✭

    King Farouk was very careless with his coins. As a matter of fact, contrary to most pedigrees, if a coin is offered with a King Farouk pedigree, examine it very carefully as it has probably been cleaned.


    Edited to add....The late, great Abe Kosoff wrote a series of very informative articles about his fantastic auction. Well worth reading.
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  • BobSavBobSav Posts: 937 ✭✭✭
    OFF WITH HIS HEAD !!!!

    OUCH !!!!!!!

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  • KablemodemKablemodem Posts: 466
    All my kitchen appliances have a brushed metal or stainless steel finish, why not my coins?
  • BobSavBobSav Posts: 937 ✭✭✭
    Yeah it makes it harder to see the fingerprints .

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  • STONESTONE Posts: 15,275 ✭
    How to make a unique coin fugly:

    Place a Brillo pad on the coin and scrub image
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,443 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Has it been officially tested??
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  • EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Its got the pedigree, but it is in for SEM testing, with a request to put it in a "Genuine" holder.
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  • NewmismatistNewmismatist Posts: 1,802 ✭✭
    The good King did like his coins shiney - he had an "aide" (slave? minion?) tasked with keeping everything bright & shiney - Luckily the gold coins didn't tarnish, so the official coin cleaner didn't have to shine those coins - as for the rest? You can always tell a Fourak pedigreed coin - "nicely' cleaned, and very shiney!
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  • BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,961 ✭✭✭
    It's a darn shame,

    I like the idea of putting it in a genuine holder. That takes the burden of turning a blind eye to grading off.
  • DoctorPaperDoctorPaper Posts: 616 ✭✭✭
    The king also had an extensive rare currency collection. Many of those notes he laminated, i.e., he had them placed between two sheets of thin, adhesive coated celluloid-like plastic and stuck them together. Those notes lost even more value than his scrubbed coins, but a lot are so rare, they still maintain a proportion of their value, like the coins.
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  • secondrepublicsecondrepublic Posts: 2,619 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Luckily the gold coins didn't tarnish, so the official coin cleaner didn't have to shine those coins - as for the rest? >>



    There are also harshly cleaned gold coins from Farouk. One of them, a unique gold Polish 5 zlotych pattern dated 1925, is in the upcoming Stacks auction, where I expect it will fetch well into the six figures in spite of the many hairlines.
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,619 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The king also had an extensive rare currency collection. Many of those notes he laminated, i.e., he had them placed between two sheets of thin, adhesive coated celluloid-like plastic and stuck them together. Those notes lost even more value than his scrubbed coins, but a lot are so rare, they still maintain a proportion of their value, like the coins. >>



    This guy sounds like he was a real idiot. Is there any way to delaminate these bill? I would imagine the adhesive would deteriorate over time.


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  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,365 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's oroide? Has it been tested?

    Edited to say: Oops! Tim asked first!

    Sure doesn't look oroide in the picture, though. Looking forward to hearing the results!
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  • EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's what I thought when it came in - it looks like copper nickel. it is the example referenced in Judd (at least in the pricing section).


    BTW, It's 68 grains, and other CN patterns (1858's) weighed were 72 grains. I know this proves nothing, but at least it is not the same.
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  • pontiacinfpontiacinf Posts: 8,915 ✭✭
    I thought Farouk laquerd his coin stash?
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  • DoctorPaperDoctorPaper Posts: 616 ✭✭✭


    << <i>This guy sounds like he was a real idiot. Is there any way to delaminate these bill? I would imagine the adhesive would deteriorate over time. >>



    I've got one of these bills, purportedly from the Farouk collection, and it is deteriorating. The note, which was uncirculated is toning (toning can be good for coins, but it's always bad for paper money) and the edges are beginning to chip, but the chips haven't reached the bill yet. There was a thread on the currency board about how you can delaminate some bills by soaking them in our old friend acetone, but I've been chicken to try it, for fear I'm going to wind up with a sticky mess on my hands (literally).

    ed. for spelling
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  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,523 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What is oroide?

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  • adamlaneusadamlaneus Posts: 6,969 ✭✭✭
    oroide

    - gold-colored alloy: an alloy of copper, zinc, tin, and iron that has a luster similar to gold.

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