Hows about a "Did you know thread!"
Stooge
Posts: 4,668 ✭✭✭✭✭
Did you know that there has been a total of only 12 complete sets of silver Roosies w/100% Full Bands? And the Clads have seen a total of ZERO complete sets w/100% FB's. 
Later, Paul.
Later, Paul.
Later, Paul.
0
Comments
Ken
rainbowroosie April 1, 2003
I am one of the proud owners of the "ZERO complete sets w/100% FB's clad sets"
Ron
[IMG]">1898 Proof Set
Did you know that the 1863 two cent pattern in the exact adopted design (J-316) is also a backdated fantasy piece?
Did you know that the 1866 No Motto quarter-half-dollar sets (two sets struck), along with the 1863, 1864 and 1865 With Motto sets (fewer than ten sets each struck), were all struck as backdated fantasy pieces? They were likely produced around 1867.
All of the above are proven by die and hub states, as compared with regular issues from the same period. For example, the J-316 two cent piece is struck with an obverse die hubbed from the Large Motto obverse, which was not created until after the Small Motto obverse was retired in 1864. Further, it is in a later hub state than the 1864 Large Motto two cent pieces, suggesting that the 1863-dated coins were made after 1864.
The 1865 No Rays shield nickel is struck using a reverse that was used to strike regular issue No Rays proofs - from 1870 on !! There is no way that reverse existed in 1865. So how do we know the 1865 With Rays were also produced around 1870? Because the obverse is in a laterdie state than the No Rays proofs. Therefore, the 1865 With Rays were struck after the 1865 No Rays, and therefore it also had to be 1870 or later.
The backdated With Motto proofs are struck from a reverse introduced in the latter part of 1866. It was not the first With Motto reverse. And they are from a later die state than when the same reverse was used to strike 1866 regular issue proofs. Ditto for the backdated 1866 No Motto coins - they are not true transitional patterns. The obverse die used to strike them was apparently a die created later in 1866, after official 1866 With Motto proofs had already been issued.
Why, then, has the 1866 No Motto dollar gotten so much press as a rarity, when it is in fact a backdated fantasy piece, and not a regular issue coin or a genuine transitional pattern? Well, mainly because it was listed in the Redbook for years, and gained fame and notoriety after the Willis DuPont theft in which one of the two known specimens was stolen. Of course, the fact that there are only two still makes it a rare collectible (like many other illegitimate patterns that were produced entirely for the purpose of selling them to collectors as a little side business for the Mint director and employees).
By contrast, the 1858 Indian cent, 1882 Liberty nickel and 1856 flying eagle cent appear to have been legitimate patterns produced in the year stated.
Best,
Sunnywood
Sunnywood's Rainbow-Toned Morgans (Retired)
Sunnywood's Barber Quarters (Retired)
Did you know that in 1965 when curly was young and dumber, I would carry a 1909 S VDB in my pocket and pretend to discover it to impress the babes?
peacockcoins
My Registry Sets