Latest Seller of Resealed Vintage Packs
grote15
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This guy buys absolute resealed junk on ebay, then has the nerve to say he guarantees his packs are authentic but can't accept returns "for obvious reasons," LOL!
Resealed 1968 Wax Pack Ryan Series? NOT!
Resealed 1968 Wax Pack Ryan Series? NOT!
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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Rube, you may be crazier than a fox in a hen house, but one thing I do know is that you are honest!
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
"there can be no returns for obvious reasons"
Yeah, the most obvious reason is that you are a liar, a cheat, and a scammer ...
"How about a little fire Scarecrow ?"
i thought that was a pretty good one too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
" Unopened " packs . .
I would love to spend the money on them and have the excitement of opening some vintage packs , But I just can't trust it , it seems so east to do and you hear about it so much .
It really blows . . .
<< <i>That is the only reason I am so reluctant to buy any vintage
" Unopened " packs . .
I would love to spend the money on them and have the excitement of opening some vintage packs , But I just can't trust it , it seems so east to do and you hear about it so much .
It really blows . . . >>
Yea, I would love to buy some early 60's wax packs and bust them.
I wouldn't like it, but I wouldn't mind crapping out with all commons if knowing for sure ahead of time that the packs were genuine, but I have a feeling the early 60's packs on most if not all of the baseball card websites out there, have been resealed. It's not worth the aggravation to spend a couple K, bust a pack and just "know" that it has been resealed. Might as well just go buy PSA 8's and 9's which is what I've been doing.
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<< <i>That is the only reason I am so reluctant to buy any vintage
" Unopened " packs . .
I would love to spend the money on them and have the excitement of opening some vintage packs , But I just can't trust it , it seems so east to do and you hear about it so much .
It really blows . . . >>
Yea, I would love to buy some early 60's wax packs and bust them.
I wouldn't like it, but I wouldn't mind crapping out with all commons if knowing for sure ahead of time that the packs were genuine, but I have a feeling the early 60's packs on most if not all of the baseball card websites out there, have been resealed. It's not worth the aggravation to spend a couple K, bust a pack and just "know" that it has been resealed. Might as well just go buy PSA 8's and 9's which is what I've been doing.
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In my opinion, it's just too easy for a so-called expert in vintage wax packs, to know how to open the pack, look at the cards, take out say the Mantle if it's in there and just insert a common and seal it back up. There's just too much money involved, in my opinion, for that not to happen.
I'm not convinced yet that slabbing unopened packs is as trustworthy as slabbing cards. When I buy a slabbed card from one of the two reputable grading companies, I'm convinced that the card is genuine...might disagree slightly once in a while with the grade, but that's okay. However, I'm not convinced that the resealers who understand these wax packs, couldn't reseal these packs in some manner to get them slabbed. Again...there's just too much big money in it not to do so. That's my opinion.
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Certainly , if you know for sure they have never been messed with and you crap out , well that's not great , but at least you got a fair shake .
When you're looking me dead in the face and lying to me knowing there is all crap that you stuffed in there and I am paying my hard earned money , That makes me very angry .
You're right , you're better off buying PSA 8 and 9's or whatever you can afford , at least you know you're getting what you are paying for .
<< <i>I wouldn't like it, but I wouldn't mind crapping out with all commons if knowing for sure ahead of time that the packs were genuine,
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Certainly , if you know for sure they have never been messed with and you crap out , well that's not great , but at least you got a fair shake .
When you're looking me dead in the face and lying to me knowing there is all crap that you stuffed in there and I am paying my hard earned money , That makes me very angry .
You're right , you're better off buying PSA 8 and 9's or whatever you can afford , at least you know you're getting what you are paying for . >>
Even with genuine unopened packs, when doing the math, if buying a lot of them you'd still be better off moneywise just buying PSA 8's and 9's in the long run. But it is very unappetizing to "know' that there is zero, yes I believe zero chance of gettting say a Mantle or anything else valuable in one of those early 60's slabbed packs. Believe me, I wish it weren't true - I would love to revisit that feeling of opening a genuine vintage early 60's wax pack with the adrenaline rush thrill of a Mantle possibly being in there. Even if striking out, that thrill would be worth it to me. But I'm not going to pay money for a ticket on a thrilling roller coaster ride, just to get placed on a merry-go-round.
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Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>It's definitely a crapshoot when it comes to unopened product, but you can greatly increase your chances of acquiring authentic packs if you do your homework and the proper research and buy from strictly reputable sellers and collectors. I haven't opened any '60s packs, but I have opened dozens of wax and rack packs from the early to late '70s and I'd say that at least 90% of those packs have definitely been authentic. When you open the pack, any doubt will either be confirmed or disproven, too, as even the most skillfully resealed packs will exhibit telltale signs once they are opened. The odds are long that opening vintage packs will be a profitable pursuit over the long haul (much like gambling, Steve, lol), but the thrill is worth it IMHO, and when you finally pull that mint or gem mint card, all the prior duds seem to fade away as you slide that sucker into a Card Saver I to ship off to PSA. Personally, I treasure the cards I pulled and got PSA graded more so than the ones I bought already graded, as I feel like I've had a special role in their "discovery." Yes, I know that may sound weird to some, but this hobby of collecting cardboard rectangles is odd to begin with!
Understand the point, and as usual you make excellent points about unopened packs - I have learned from your information posted about unopened packs and that is sincerely appreciated.
One thing to realize is that scammers are usually greedy - They usually want to go for the big score or nothing at all - it's their nature. I can't see most scammers wanting to open up a slew of 70's packs, just to try to find say a well centered Ozzie or something like that, and then having to spend the time to carefully reseal the packs so it can't be detected that the packs were resealed - that's a lot of work, and most scammers don't like hard work.
Unopened early 60's packs are much, much scarcer than unopened 70's packs. If some little old lady from Pasadena walks into a card shop or contacts one of the popular baeball card pack websites, and sells them some genuine unopened early 60's packs, it would be hard for me to believe that any dealer would risk sending them right off to a grading company to get slabbed, then selling it at whatever price, and then somebody contacting them later thanking them for selling them the slabbed pack which was busted and a 60's Mantle in 9 condition was found, while the dealer cringes at not opening that pack himself - the dealer is not going to allow that situation to happen.
The money is too big, just too big, for that skilled dealer not to open that pack, check out the cards, and reseal it himself skillfully. He's got plenty of raw EXMT-NM cards around so he could easily find one for that card series, take out the Mantle if in there, and just insert a common...the temptation is too great and the profit is too potentially high for the dealer not to do that. That's what I believe.
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Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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<< <i>It's definitely a crapshoot when it comes to unopened product, but you can greatly increase your chances of acquiring authentic packs if you do your homework and the proper research and buy from strictly reputable sellers and collectors. I haven't opened any '60s packs, but I have opened dozens of wax and rack packs from the early to late '70s and I'd say that at least 90% of those packs have definitely been authentic. When you open the pack, any doubt will either be confirmed or disproven, too, as even the most skillfully resealed packs will exhibit telltale signs once they are opened. The odds are long that opening vintage packs will be a profitable pursuit over the long haul (much like gambling, Steve, lol), but the thrill is worth it IMHO, and when you finally pull that mint or gem mint card, all the prior duds seem to fade away as you slide that sucker into a Card Saver I to ship off to PSA. Personally, I treasure the cards I pulled and got PSA graded more so than the ones I bought already graded, as I feel like I've had a special role in their "discovery." Yes, I know that may sound weird to some, but this hobby of collecting cardboard rectangles is odd to begin with!
Understand the point, and as usual you make excellent points about unopened packs - I have learned from your information posted about unopened packs and that is sincerely appreciated.
One thing to realize is that scammers are usually greedy - They usually want to go for the big score or nothing at all - it's their nature. I can't see most scammers wanting to open up a slew of 70's packs, just to try to find say a well centered Ozzie or something like that, and then having to spend the time to carefully reseal the packs so it can't be detected that the packs were resealed - that's a lot of work, and most scammers don't like hard work.
Unopened early 60's packs are much, much scarcer than unopened 70's packs. If some little old lady from Pasadena walks into a card shop or contacts one of the popular baeball card pack websites, and sells them some genuine unopened early 60's packs, it would be hard for me to believe that any dealer would risk sending them right off to a grading company to get slabbed, then selling it at whatever price, and then somebody contacting them later thanking them for selling them the slabbed pack which was busted and a 60's Mantle in 9 condition was found, while the dealer cringes at not opening that pack himself - the dealer is not going to allow that situation to happen.
The money is too big, just too big, for that skilled dealer not to open that pack, check out the cards, and reseal it himself skillfully. He's got plenty of raw EXMT-NM cards around so he could easily find one for that card series, take out the Mantle if in there, and just insert a common...the temptation is too great and the profit is too potentially high for the dealer not to do that. That's what I believe.
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Just to clarify the term "scammer" for this post. A dealer could be 100% honest 99.9% of the time, but if he is opening his early 60's wax packs, removing the valuable cards and resealing them, and then selling them as unopened, then on that he would be a scammer.
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That is WAY too generous a view, for me to adopt.
There really is no such thing as a little bit crooked;
nor, a little bit pregnant. The first-time killer for hire
was not a murderer until that first time.
Crooks in the collectible biznez are like well-poisoners.
They should ALL be tortured and executed.
I can't remember the last time I opened a pack and got something really sweet to write home about, I think every single pack I have ever bought was messed with .
I'm not allowed to have any good cards , those have to go to the dealer with the huge overhead on his shop .
You have to keep in mind, though, that baseball cards were virtually worthless when Topps was producing them throughout the '50-70's, and even into the '80s, so making them tamper proof would have been overkill as far as they were concerned (though they did produce tamper proof foil packs in 1983, which, by no coincidence, would coincide with the advent of card collecting as something more than just a hobby for kids flipping cards). I can remember buying stacks of 1975 packs and beating those beauties to death--no one cared about cards back then anyway, least of all resealers.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
I roll around in bed having nightmares about some of the cards I destroyed in the 70's
I was about as cluless then as I am now , well maybe now I at least know enough to not even really touch them after I take it out of the pack
I personally would never waste my money on these overpriced packs, They've all been searched as far as Im concerned.
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I'm sure it don't take a rocket scientist to figure out how to reseal those .
Unsearched packs ? that's like saying , the kids don't go looking for the Christmas presents before Christmas .
That is like putting a bag of crack in front of a crack head and telling them , don't pinch into the bag .
Maybe it isn't completely impossible , but it is extremely unlikely .
The ones that haven't been opened yet are sitting in grampa's basement somewhere , the guy has no family and he hasn't been able to get into the basement for 30 years , due to the accident .
<< <i>The ones that haven't been opened yet are sitting in grampa's basement somewhere , the guy has no family and he hasn't been able to get into the basement for 30 years , due to the accident . >>
I've been waiting to find that guy all my life.
And I am gonna find him too, One of these days , I am going to find him and I'm gonna fix his whole house for nuthin , just let me clean out the basement . . . " It's a wreck " " I see Rat's down there "
Man , you have that so well rehearsed I'd bet the farm you have been down that road a time or two , or do you just dream about it all day like I do ?
Loves me some shiny!