Tech question about picture editing programs

lawnmowerman

I am scanning cards today to put into my sets. I want to have nice size scans so I am resizing them to 450 X 746. I have two programs I can use.

Microsoft Digital Image Suite Editor and Microsoft Office Picture Manager.

I made two scans of the same card. Both scans were at 300dpi. I then used each program to edit the scans (All I did was crop and resize).

I resized each scan to 450 x 746.

Now here is my question. Even though each scan was resized to the same size, why would the KB size be different?

Using Microsoft Digital Image Suite Editor the size is 133KB

Microsoft Office Picture Manager the size is 48.5KB

This seems quite strange to me.

Thanks

zep33

just the way the different programs compress the image. The larger size one should look better

are the both jpgs?

stown

Do both pictures have the same file name (ie .jpg)?

alifaxwa2

Different compression algorithms.

Photoshop gives 12 levels of quality choices for saving.

perkdog

I got no clue Matt, Im just stopping in to say hello.

lawnmowerman

<< <i>Different compression algorithms.

Photoshop gives 12 levels of quality choices for saving. >>





uhhh what??

lawnmowerman

<< <i>just the way the different programs compress the image. The larger size one should look better

are the both jpgs? >>



Yes they sure are.

EagleEyeKid

You cut grass.
Forget numbers, just scan 'em

Seriously, I don't have a clue either.

perkdog

rube26105

I got no clue Matt, Im just stopping in to say hello.


ill be the 3rd to say i have no clue either, thanx for the question though

lawnmowerman

Hi Paul

lawnmowerman

I'LL BE BACK!

With some scans to compare

rube26105

hi matt,i kill the palm that got ya

lawnmowerman

Microsoft Office Picture Manager 48.4 KB......................................................................Microsoft Digital Image Suite Editor 130KB

Do they look the same to you guys?

lawnmowerman

<< <i>hi matt >>





The palms of death

rube26105

look exactly the same to me

Barfvader

The one on the right Microsoft Digital Image Suite Editor 130KB looks much sharper then the other one.

Griffins

Matt- do you have access to photoshop or photoshop elements?
From what I can see both of those programs are giving you a preset size and compression setting to size them down. With photoship you can set what level you want them at, and you'll get a lot more detail.
The worst thing you can do is spend hours and hours scanning only to have them sized so small you have to rescan them later when you need them for another purpose. For the registry you need really small scans, but should you want to have your own site later (and for $20 a year, imageevent.com is great) you'll probably want them bigger so you would have to scan them over again.
My suggestion is to save them large, and then resize them using one of adobe's photoshop versions. Elements often comes free with most scanners.


edited to add- the one on the right has more sharpening applied and seems to be richer tonally.

zep33

yeah the one one the right has less compression so looks better - look at the star on his helmet on the 2 of them

Elemenopeo

Right one looks sharper to me.

lawnmowerman

<< <i>Matt- do you have access to photoshop or photoshop elements?
From what I can see both of those programs are giving you a preset size and compression setting to size them down. With photoship you can set what level you want them at, and you'll get a lot more detail. >>



Yes I do, I forgot about that one.

Thanks, I'll try it

BobaFett72

the right side looks sharper

lawnmowerman

I just did this one with photoshop. The problem is I cant get in down under 100 KB to go in my set without making it alot smaller.

Is there something I am missing or do I just need to either use smaller scans or just go with lesser quality 45KB scans?

Griffins

I think you need a smaller scan, and possible save it at a lower compression (quality) level. I sized it down to 4.5" on the height and it was 104kb, so I was close. The quality was 5.

lawnmowerman

Thanks Griff!

Well, personally I would like to have nice large scans that look great. I guess we are limited though doing the registrys.

It would be cool to do the registry but to also have a separate "personal" site to kinda do the same thing as the registry but not be limited to a certain size scan.

Griffins

thats why a site like image event works out so well- you can have scans in a size you chose, and lay out the page easily with whatever info you'd like to add. And the smaller ones of each card (imageevent saves them in 3 sizes of your chosing) will work if you want to also add it to your registry set.

DataDriven05

In the one on the left, if you look at the outlines of the Cardinals player on the bottom right, and the legs of the Cowboys lineman, you can see its not as sharp... It appears wavy. This shows up on the Aikman's helmet as well.

EagleEyeKid

Both cards look pretty much the same.
The Microsoft Digital Image Suite Editor 130KB on the
right looks maybe a tad sharper and it does bring out
Troy's eyes a little more.

lawnmowerman

<< <i>
and it does bring out Troy's eyes a little more. >>

stown

<< <i>

<< <i>Different compression algorithms.

Photoshop gives 12 levels of quality choices for saving. >>





uhhh what?? >>

lawnmowerman

My scanner and Adobe are my friends Nothing done extra with this scan. All I did was just scan, crop and resize......sweet!

gumbyfan

Excellent scan Matt. Looks like you found your answer! What kind of scanner are you using?

lawnmowerman

Thanks

It is a Epson Perfection 4490 Photo

Griffins

I can't imagine needing a better scan than that, think you hit a winning combo.