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1991 Classic 4 Sport vs 1991 Classic 4 Sport French

OnlyThe10sOnlyThe10s Posts: 1,850
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Hey all!

As many of you know, I'm trying for all Manny Ramirez rookies in PSA 10. I recently picked up a 1991 Classic 4 Sport "French" card which is known as one of his tougher rookies (or pre-rookies, depending on how you look at it) with a pop of 5 in PSA 10. The "regular" 1991 Classic 4 Sport in PSA 10 has a significantly higher pop.

So I was expecting the "French" variation to be different somehow. Well, as you can see from the photos below, I think they're exactly the same, OR.. my "regular" one is mislabeled and should be a "French." I thought the French one was different because it had his bio in English and Fench, but BOTH of mine has the bio in English and French.

Question: Are these cards the same? Or is my "regular" one mislabeled?

Thanks!


Both Fronts
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Both backs:
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The "French" back
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The "Regular" back
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Comments

  • GootGoot Posts: 3,496
    My vote is for mislabeled.
  • OnlyThe10sOnlyThe10s Posts: 1,850


    << <i>My vote is for mislabeled. >>



    I hope so! The French routinely sells for more than 5X what the "Regular" one sells for.

    Any experts on this Classic 4 Sport issue?

  • OnlyThe10sOnlyThe10s Posts: 1,850
    TTT any help on this would be much appreciated.
  • DavidPuddyDavidPuddy Posts: 3,486 ✭✭✭
    Well, I just found mine, but it doesn't help.
    One of yours is labeled wrong, but I don't know which one.
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    "The Sipe market is ridiculous right now"
    CDsNuts, 1/9/15
  • OnlyThe10sOnlyThe10s Posts: 1,850
    Is that card raw? If it's slabbed, what does the flip say?

  • DavidPuddyDavidPuddy Posts: 3,486 ✭✭✭
    It's not slabbed.

    Hold the phone. I have the answer!! Scans to follow..... Give me a second....
    "The Sipe market is ridiculous right now"
    CDsNuts, 1/9/15
  • DavidPuddyDavidPuddy Posts: 3,486 ✭✭✭
    Looks like it's your lucky dayimage
    I got these in a box of cards I bought at a Value City Department store sometime in the mid 90's. The box came with a D. Strawberry signed ball. I don't have a full set but I have a nice stack of them.
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    "The Sipe market is ridiculous right now"
    CDsNuts, 1/9/15
  • DavidPuddyDavidPuddy Posts: 3,486 ✭✭✭
    Looks like you have 2 psa 10's of the French version, and I have another card to sub.
    "The Sipe market is ridiculous right now"
    CDsNuts, 1/9/15
  • OnlyThe10sOnlyThe10s Posts: 1,850
    WOW, VERRRRY helpful man! Thanks a lot!

    I'm going to have my second French reholdered.

    Dang, now I need another "Regular" Classic 4 PSA 10!

    Again, this was excellent information, thanks for taking the time to do this for me.

  • cwazzycwazzy Posts: 3,257 ✭
    I'm pretty sure I have that set at home and will check my Manny when I get off work. Looks like David Puddy has your answer though. Congrats on your find!

    Chris
    Chris
    My small collection
    Want List:
    '61 Topps Roy Campanella in PSA 5-7
    Cardinal T206 cards
    Adam Wainwright GU Jersey
  • OnlyThe10sOnlyThe10s Posts: 1,850


    << <i>I'm pretty sure I have that set at home and will check my Manny when I get off work. Looks like David Puddy has your answer though. Congrats on your find!

    Chris >>




    Thanks Chris! This is a great find indeed. This makes the total pop of the French varioation only 6 in PSA 10. Tough card!

    I'm excited about it!

  • DavidPuddyDavidPuddy Posts: 3,486 ✭✭✭
    It really UNBELIEVABLE that I was able to answer that question. I stopped collecting in 92, bought that box in about 94, and it sat unopened until last year. I have so few cards from those years..... Can't believe I had those..

    On a sad note. Both of these guys played for my Cleveland teams, and both have passed on.
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    "The Sipe market is ridiculous right now"
    CDsNuts, 1/9/15
  • OnlyThe10sOnlyThe10s Posts: 1,850
    Well, I'm glad you hung onto the box! Those Frenchies are TOUGH dude..

  • DavidPuddyDavidPuddy Posts: 3,486 ✭✭✭
    Onlythe10s,
    It looks like your Manny that does not say "French" is an older flip. Possible they had not graded any of the French version when that one was graded.
    I've got Larry Johnson, Dikembe Mutombo, and Peter Forsberg as my other stars from the box. To bad I don't have a Favre.
    "The Sipe market is ridiculous right now"
    CDsNuts, 1/9/15
  • OnlyThe10sOnlyThe10s Posts: 1,850
    Yeah, looks like the older flip.

    I'm DEFINITELY geting this re-labeled.

  • DavidPuddyDavidPuddy Posts: 3,486 ✭✭✭
    I'm going to add my Manny to a sub that's going in later this month.
    "The Sipe market is ridiculous right now"
    CDsNuts, 1/9/15
  • OnlyThe10sOnlyThe10s Posts: 1,850
    Nice man! 9's are a dime-a-dozen, but the French variations in PSA 10 go for between $50 - $75.

  • DavidPuddyDavidPuddy Posts: 3,486 ✭✭✭
    Mine is a 9 for sure. Not sure about a 10, but it should be an easy 9.
    "The Sipe market is ridiculous right now"
    CDsNuts, 1/9/15
  • OnlyThe10sOnlyThe10s Posts: 1,850
    Well, I'm going to be in the market for the "Regular" one in PSA 10 if you do get a 10, let me know.

    I'll need another one because I'll have two of the Frenchies.

  • OnlyThe10sOnlyThe10s Posts: 1,850
    Well, the 1991 Classif 4 Sport French is now a pop 6 in PSA 10 thanks to me getting my "regular" one relabeled. Just got it in the mail today from PSA.

    New one on the left, old on the right.

    Special thanks again to DavidPuddy for helping me on this topic.

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