Day 21 of my SGC 20 day service........................

ebayaddict · March 3, 2008 4:17AM

UMMMM........right no cards, no grades on the site, no ship date. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm...........must be 20 working days, right?
Anyone else waiting.........Waiting for crossovers too.

ROCKDJRW · March 3, 2008 4:29AM

Isn't it always working days?

JasP24 · March 3, 2008 4:39AM

Wow, how is it possible for a grading company that does 1/10th the business of PSA on a monthly basis not hit all the guaranteed turn-around times? Should be easy in comparison, as PSA hits their approx. turn-around times on 95% of their orders.

Jason

RonBurgundy · March 3, 2008 4:43AM

Can you provide evidence that PSA "hits their approx. turnaround times on 95% of their orders"? I'd love to see that dossier.

Ron

Brick · March 3, 2008 4:52AM

Don't forget to allow for holidays. Workdays would exclude all weekends of course and then we had Lincolns Birthday, Valentines Day, Presidents Day, Washingtons Birthday, The Ides of March. Your order should be ready just before St. Patricks Day.

JasP24 · March 3, 2008 5:04AM

<< Can you provide evidence that PSA "hits their approx. turnaround times on 95% of their orders"? I'd love to see that dossier.

Ron >>

Sorry, top secret..

Cycle through some random submission numbers and do the math. It's pretty easy to see actually...

Jason

fattymacs · March 3, 2008 5:06AM

It is listed as "business days", my guess is that's Mon - Fri. I'm on day 24 / business day 16, my previous orders were right on time.

BigDaddyBowman · March 3, 2008 5:19AM

It is business days...and every submission I have sent has always had grades posted a day or two early.

ebayaddict · March 3, 2008 6:05AM

St. Patty's day probably is about right.

GOODLIEU · March 3, 2008 6:15AM

Does shipping time also factor in or is it seperate. For example your items are shipped on the 20th day from their facility and arrive at your residence days later. Would that constitute their meeting the 20 day guarantee?

BigDaddyBowman · March 3, 2008 6:23AM

<< Does shipping time also factor in or is it seperate. For example your items are shipped on the 20th day from their facility and arrive at your residence days later. Would that constitute their meeting the 20 day guarantee? >>

I don't think shipping dates count..just like days shipping to them don't count. It goes from the time they check them in to the dates the grades post on their website.

Mickey71 · March 3, 2008 7:01AM

SGC has no guaranteed turnaround times. It states that on their site. Someone said they do 1/10 the orders PSA does. Do you think it is even that high?
Mickey71

jmoran19 · March 3, 2008 8:47AM

Mine popped today which was the 22nd business day assuming they worked on presidents day, all previously graded cards were cracked and submitted raw

1 1961-62 Fleer 10 BOB COUSY 80 (WAS CSA 8)
2 1961-62 Fleer 47 WILT CHAMBERLAIN Dunks A 2 Pointer 70
3 1972-73 Topps 32 PHIL JACKSON ROOKIE 86 (pulled from a wax pack)
4 1972-73 Topps 115 NATE ARCHIBALD 86 (pulled from a wax pack)
5 1968 Topps 1 BART STARR 84
6 1968 Topps 25 DON MEREDITH 84 (was PSA 6, undergraded by PSA)
7 1969 Topps 75 DON MEREDITH 88 (was PSA 6, thought it was NM, nice surprise)
8 1969 Topps 139 DICK BUTKUS 88
9 1969 Topps Super 19 HARMON KILLEBREW 92 (was PSA 8)
10 1967 Topps 20 ORLANDO CEPEDA 84

Stone193 · March 3, 2008 8:52AM

I sent one exhibit card to SGC and the turnaround was extremely fast.

Does SGC have a board to discuss their turnaround times?

mike

RawPlusSlabbed · March 3, 2008 9:35AM

<< SGC has no guaranteed turnaround times. It states that on their site. Someone said they do 1/10 the orders PSA does. Do you think it is even that high?
Mickey71 >>

They do much closer to 1/5 the orders to PSA than 1/10. At this point, may be much closer to 1/4 or 1/3. PSA got a 7 year head start and has graded around 10M cards. SGC has graded around 2M cards. That is 1/5 all time. Currently, PSA does around 100K subs a month vs. about 30K for SGC. That is around 1/3 the volume currently.

SportsItUpCards · March 3, 2008 9:43AM

What in the World were you thinking when sending your cards to SGC?

Does anybody else give $5 specials? If they do, there not in the beautiful PSA slab

Giovanni

nam812 · March 3, 2008 9:44AM

<< Does SGC have a board to discuss their turnaround times?

mike >>

I love subtlety.

RonBurgundy · March 3, 2008 10:47AM

I got a coupon in the mail today from SGC. 10% off submissions. Don't know how they got my info as I have never used them before.

Ron

ebayaddict · March 3, 2008 10:55PM

Probably tired of all the BS and troubles i had with the last PSA submissions. Oh yeah, not to mention the ridiculous undergrading of cards i have seen here lately. Plus, i kind of like the SGC holder.

SportsItUpCards · March 4, 2008 12:14AM

<< Probably tired of all the BS and troubles i had with the last PSA submissions. Oh yeah, not to mention the ridiculous undergrading of cards i have seen here lately. Plus, i kind of like the SGC holder.

>>

Nothing against you my friend, because i'm not that way, but if you want fake grades you would go to PRO grading and other companies. PSA greades the card what it is, most the time because everybody is human of course and it could happen once in a while, but not to many times compared to other copanies.

It dosen't mean because you get super high grades from other grqding companies that your cards are worth more, because when you sell a card people will see the grade with their own eyes not matter what it says on the slab.

If you want quality grading then you got with PSA, IMO

Giovanni

Mickey71 · March 4, 2008 2:56AM

RAWPLUSSLABBED,
You're telling me that SGC does 1/3 the business that PSA does. I don't believe that for a minute. Go on EBAY as an indication. I think it's about 10 to 1. Look at the numbers of SGC 88's and PSA 8's: it's not even close. Just my 2 cents.
Mickey71

ebayaddict · March 4, 2008 3:53AM

Gio,
Thanks for your opinion.........just because one chooses SGC or Bgs/Bvg not PSA doesn't mean one is looking for higher grades. I have used all three services. I have far more PSA graded cards than any other, but because i dont think PSA is perfect (like some) i explore my options. Sometimes it's better to go against the sheep mentality of following the flock.

ROCKDJRW · March 4, 2008 4:02AM

<< RAWPLUSSLABBED,
You're telling me that SGC does 1/3 the business that PSA does. I don't believe that for a minute. Go on EBAY as an indication. I think it's about 10 to 1. Look at the numbers of SGC 88's and PSA 8's: it's not even close. Just my 2 cents.
Mickey71

>>

I don't think cards being sold is a fair way to compair. If I were selling a vintage common I would use PSA. If I were selling a modern card I would use BGS. Due to those variables I think many SGC cards stay in collections and are not being graded to flip.

JasP24 · March 4, 2008 4:31AM

PSA has graded 6,451,027 baseball cards....2,191,548 football.

Anyone have access to SGC's pop reports for a comparison?

Jason

fattymacs · March 4, 2008 4:38AM

The cards I plan on keeping are in SGC holders, the cards I would be open to trade or sell are (or will be) in PSA holders. That's not saying I wouldn't sell a SGC card or I wouldn't keep a PSA card. People that are strictly PSA or SGC and continually bad mouth the other are tiresome. I've only been dealing with graded cards for a short time and I've seen many undergrades by both and a handful of overgrades.

otwcards · March 4, 2008 5:11AM

The numbers can be twisted and manipulated any way you want. It's a given that PSA has a lion's share of the vintage market. SGC is second and Beckett runs third.

I don't think it is unreasonable to state, that while there are many that collect PSA graded vintage cards, SGC vintage cards tend to be the collectors' card. I'm not saying that advanced collectors would rather have SGC over PSA, but I will say, and I doubt many in the know will disagree, that there is a higher percentage of SGC graded vintage cards in permanent collections than PSA. I'm not saying there are more SGC cards, just that a higher percentage of those graded are in collections rather than the marketplace. That being said, PSA is still the obvious overall choice with regard to grading and resale of the full breadth of sports cards.

Is either the end-all answer? Hell no! And the competition keeps PSA and SGC on their toes.

SGC has their diehard and oft times very boisterous following. PSA has their loyalists as well. And the extremists from both sides will shout until their lungs ache and type until their fingers bleed to convince you that their grading service is the only right choice!

Even Beckett has their following and accordingly, they also have a HUGE segment of the modern graded card market. But I don't know too many "advanced" collectors that regularly add BGS cards to their collections. Most have PSA and/or SGC cards in their vintage collections.

ebayaddict · March 4, 2008 5:44AM

<< The cards I plan on keeping are in SGC holders, the cards I would be open to trade or sell are (or will be) in PSA holders. That's not saying I wouldn't sell a SGC card or I wouldn't keep a PSA card. People that are strictly PSA or SGC and continually bad mouth the other are tiresome. I've only been dealing with graded cards for a short time and I've seen many undergrades by both and a handful of overgrades. >>

Well said...................................thanks!

fattymacs · March 5, 2008 4:06AM

Business Day #18, my sub is marked as shipped. I don't know if I'll peek at the grades or be surprised.

ebayaddict · March 5, 2008 4:30AM

You'll peek!

fattymacs · March 5, 2008 4:39AM

Probably will, I'm weak.

BigDaddyBowman · March 5, 2008 6:52AM

<< Business Day #18, my sub is marked as shipped. I don't know if I'll peek at the grades or be surprised. >>

fattymac...what date did they check your cards in? I am waiting and its killing me!

fattymacs · March 5, 2008 6:56AM

They were received Feb. 8th. I sent 10 cards.

BigDaddyBowman · March 5, 2008 6:59AM

was it the $5 crossover deal? Mine were dated 1/31

RawPlusSlabbed · March 5, 2008 8:39AM

<< RAWPLUSSLABBED,
You're telling me that SGC does 1/3 the business that PSA does. I don't believe that for a minute. Go on EBAY as an indication. I think it's about 10 to 1. Look at the numbers of SGC 88's and PSA 8's: it's not even close. Just my 2 cents.
Mickey71

>>

Well, if you want to look past the fact that for the last 12 months SGC has done around 30,000 cards/month and PSA has done around 100,000 cards/month i.e. 1/3 the volume, then, as the infamous Bobby Brown said, that is your prerogative. Same goes for the 2,000,000/10,000,000 all time split i.e. 1/5.

The eBay ratios have always been extremely misleading.

mealeworm · March 5, 2008 9:38AM

my SGC order was loggeed on 2-8 as well-and it popped today. The grades were right on the mark. I have alot of PSA graded cards and sets but I love the SGC holders and fro a mid grade 54 Red heart set that I plan to display I couldn't be happier going with SGC. I will take a few photos of the display pieces when I get them done.

Dave

fattymacs · March 5, 2008 9:40AM

BigDaddy - Mine were raw cards, Yes I peeked.

wolfbear · March 5, 2008 10:53AM

Best for all of us if both SGC and PSA remain successful.
I've been reading all these stupid SGC vs PSA discussions on this board for 6 years now.

It never changes.
PSA and SGC can both be trusted and both make mistakes.

Let's talk about cards ...

CDsNuts · March 5, 2008 10:59AM

My SGC order was logged in on 4/26/82 and I'm still waiting. I know they don't have guaranteed turnaround times, but I feel over 9000 days is a little excessive. I'm thinking about sending an email to customer service.

Lee

wolfbear · March 5, 2008 11:01AM

hatter!

Darin · March 5, 2008 11:15AM

<< My SGC order was logged in on 4/26/82 and I'm still waiting. I know they don't have guaranteed turnaround times, but I feel over 9000 days is a little excessive. I'm thinking about sending an email to customer service.

Lee >>

Just forget about it, that Lamarr Hoyt rookie card you sent in isn't worth anything anyway.

ColleSystem · March 5, 2008 2:39PM

<< Business Day #18, my sub is marked as shipped. I don't know if I'll peek at the grades or be surprised. >>

Probably would be fair to edit the title of this thread

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ebayaddict · March 11, 2008 3:55AM

ok.........grades are in, and in fairness to SGC today is the 20th working day. That's the good news.............the bad news is about half of my submissions were one grade lower than i had hoped, and the other half about what i anticipated. No suprises to the good however "(
At least i got several 50's cards graded and encapsulated for my PC. IMO, on the whole SGC is every bit as tough as PSA.

Day 21 of my SGC 20 day service........................

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