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RB or RD? A question about Lincolns

SwampboySwampboy Posts: 13,099 ✭✭✭✭✭

In a registry Forum thread ( link ) I asked how this Lincoln could be designated red when it is more than 5% toned on hte reverse.

Could someone explain how that works.


Here's the coin recently graded MS66RD by PCGS.


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Thanks.

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  • droopyddroopyd Posts: 5,381 ✭✭✭
    no idea - i was under the impression that up to 15% toning is/was allowed on coppers and they could still be designated red (and with more than 85% toning making it brown instead of rb) - but i'm not sure of that.

    at any rate, there are always going to be exceptions, whether deliberately or inadvertently overlooked.
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  • << <i>no idea - i was under the impression that up to 15% toning is/was allowed on coppers and they could still be designated red (and with more than 85% toning making it brown instead of rb) - but i'm not sure of that.

    at any rate, there are always going to be exceptions, whether deliberately or inadvertently overlooked. >>

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  • Or it could have been full red at the time of slabbing and is just turning.
  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The % is subjective to the grader. It is hard to say exactly what 5% is. I am sure everyone will argue they can do it but there really isn't a ruler to say what 4%, 5%, 6% really are.

    Also, there is toning on that coin but there is also a "mellowing" of the red. I've seen "mellowed" coins that were still regarded as RD.

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  • BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,961 ✭✭✭
    If you can clearly see through the toning that the coin is still Red as you coin show's it's up to the grader. If the toning looks like it is progressing and turning the copper toward brown then it will get RB. Both sides need to show mostly red to maintain the red status not sure what the % is.
  • LeeGLeeG Posts: 12,162


    << <i>The % is subjective to the grader. It is hard to say exactly what 5% is. I am sure everyone will argue they can do it but there really isn't a ruler to say what 4%, 5%, 6% really are.

    Also, there is toning on that coin but there is also a "mellowing" of the red. I've seen "mellowed" coins that were still regarded as RD. >>


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    66 RD:


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