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ahooka454
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Who are the Known coin Doctors???
Simple question.
How many will answer truthfully???
Edited to add: And no, I dont know who they are. I have read hear who to stay away from in coin publications.
Simple question.
How many will answer truthfully???
Edited to add: And no, I dont know who they are. I have read hear who to stay away from in coin publications.
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If the grading companies are serious about going after them, why worry???
Besides, anyone who does something to a coin or medal to enhance or alter it's appearance for possible increase in resale value can be considered to have doctored that item.
However, there are quite a few doctors who collect coins. You can find their names on the covers of the auction catalogues when they sell some their collection.
Im not trying to cause problems for anyone. I just figured if they are beinging sought out for their work, why not put it all on the table???
<< <i>If noone is wanting to outright say who they are, Why not do it under an alt???
Im not trying to cause problems for anyone. I just figured if they are beinging sought out for their work, why not put it all on the table??? >>
Pretty cut and dry IMO.
greg
www.brunkauctions.com
Remember.. If you don't want you mother / wife / priest or a judge to know you said it.. DO NOT put it on the internet.
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If they can sue us for talking about it, can we sue them for fruad or anything??? Im no lawyer, just curious...
Russ, NCNE
Recipient of the coveted "You Suck" award, April 2009 for cherrypicking a 1833 CBHD LM-5, and April 2022 for a 1835 LM-12, and again in Aug 2012 for picking off a 1952 FS-902.
His practice by some chance wouldn't be in Chi-town?
<< <i>didnt manofcoins admit to gassing coins to get toning here a while back
greg >>
Yes he did. And he also said he would no longer post to these boards.
<< <i>One is Dr. Xxxx, and is known for pretty nickels
His practice by some chance wouldn't be in Chi-town? >>
I suspect we're thinking of the same doctor.
There have always been coin doctors, and will always be!
Some have however seen their evil ways and reformed... so there is hope?
<< <i>One is Dr. Xxxx, and is known for pretty nickels
His practice by some chance wouldn't be in Chi-town? >>
I cannot confirm or deny that assumption.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>Ahooka454, Listing them isn't the solution... educating yourself to be able to see the signs and avoid these coins is the only cure.
There have always been coin doctors, and will always be... some have however seen their evil and reformed.
So there is hope? >>
That is a good solution but it can be difficult to achieve for many. An alternate solution has been proposed which is to rely on experts via a stickering process.
<< <i>Do an ebay search for "Toned Morgan". When you see a seller that has lots of coins all the same color, then you've found 'em >>
These really aren't the ones that Laura has been going after. The eBay shake and bakers are amateurs who fool few and rarely get anything in to top tier holders. The real concern are the pros who would never waste their time selling their product on eBay.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>many members of this forum were dragged into a lawsuit a few years ago for posting their OPINIONS on this forum. >>
This is true. The owner, Alan Hagar, of ACG pulled several prominent members into a Florida court for defaming the company.
Here are a few posts regarding the case:
Post 1
Post 2
Post 3
Post 4
Post 5
There were many others posts, but this should give you a feel for what happened.
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<< <i>Do an ebay search for "Toned Morgan". When you see a seller that has lots of coins all the same color, then you've found 'em >>
These really aren't the ones that Laura has been going after. The eBay shake and bakers are amateurs who fool few and rarely get anything in to top tier holders. The real concern are the pros who would never waste their time selling their product on eBay.
Russ, NCNE >>
They show up on HA in top TPG holders and go for 6 figures and up.
(Dead men don't wear plaid)
(Priest) BLASPHEMY he said it again, did you hear him?
Having said that, outing them would be easy with no chance of a lawsuit.
Really quite simple.
Create an alt ID, do it on a public library computer or something similar.
Use false information when setting up the account, the email could be done through any of the publicly available ones on the net.
Make one post listing all the known culprits. I don't believe the really good ones operate on eBay, at least not regularly.
No need for any follow up posts.
Delete email address and move on. One post only and you vanish into the net netherworld.
I'm just not buying the "fear of a lawsuit" as a valid defense for protecting these scumbags.
If I knew who they were, I'd list them publicly. It's easy enough to spoof an ID, particularly for such a short time frame.
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There are those who "fix" problem coins on a regular basis. This would include NCS and private individuals who routinely work on plugging holes that have been drilled, removing rust and corrosion, straightening bent coins, etc. This art of fixing coins has been going on long before all of us alive now were born.
IMO, the main object of today's coin doctors is the enhancement of an item for financial gain or deceit. But then again, this has been going on in all fields of collectibles, for longer than we can remember.
<< <i>Its the ones that alter a coin and pass it off as original and untouched... >>
Do the doctors ever claim that? Or do people read that from the TPG slabs?
It's very interesting that quite a few of them independently name 3 or 4 prominent coin dealers in Canada who are very good at doctoring coins.
One is "the best at copper", one "has a chemistry lab in his basement", another one 'cleans and presses' his currency. The list goes on and on.
Whether or not it's the truth, perhaps just jealousy between dealers or even, outright lies, I don't know.
But there does seem to be a consistent tone (pardon the pun) to their accusations.
But one thing I have learned is this...If you've been in the coin business for a long time and if you know what you are doing....I mean you really know what you're doing, then it's very easy to doctor coins and profit quite substantially from it.
It depends on your Ethics whether or not you'll take this turn or not.
"“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)
"I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)
<< <i>many members of this forum were dragged into a lawsuit a few years ago for posting their OPINIONS on this forum.
Remember.. If you don't want you mother / wife / priest or a judge to know you said it.. DO NOT put it on the internet. >>
I think this might be before my time. Does anyone have a link to info on this lawsuit? I would think it inappropriate maybe illegal to drag members of an online forum into a lawsuit for giving opinions.
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<< <i>many members of this forum were dragged into a lawsuit a few years ago for posting their OPINIONS on this forum.
Remember.. If you don't want you mother / wife / priest or a judge to know you said it.. DO NOT put it on the internet. >>
I think this might be before my time. Does anyone have a link to info on this lawsuit? I would think it inappropriate maybe illegal to drag members of an online forum into a lawsuit for giving opinions. >>
Follow the links in Shamika's post
Recipient of the coveted "You Suck" award, April 2009 for cherrypicking a 1833 CBHD LM-5, and April 2022 for a 1835 LM-12, and again in Aug 2012 for picking off a 1952 FS-902.
Kinda a no brainer if you have been on these forums longer than 3 years
Go BIG or GO HOME. ©Bill
I dont know so thats why Im asking.
<< <i>I know of 2 and where they hang.
Kinda a no brainer if you have been on these forums longer than 3 years
People choose to have a short memory.
<< <i>See, thats the thing, I havent been. I dont understand why these coin Dr.'s can come after people talking about them. Aslong as your not a competitor why be affriad of legal retaliation?
I dont know so thats why Im asking. >>
Because we live in a litigious society and defending lawsuits costs lots of money.
<< <i>know that, but I didnt think you could sue someone for having an opinion of them. I guess I should sue some people and get rich and buy stickered coins. WTF is this counrty coming to? >>
You can sue for anything. Whether you get the results you desire is a different matter.
Mike
JK
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<< <i>One is Dr. Xxxx, and is known for pretty nickels
His practice by some chance wouldn't be in Chi-town? >>
I cannot confirm or deny that assumption.
Russ, NCNE >>
he's known as "saint nick" in some circles
K S
<< <i>You are asking folks to write down in a public forum the names of people that are "known coin doctors". Think about it a bit; anyone who labels someone else as a "known coin doctor" on these boards has opened themselves up to potentially very expensive legal fees. I don't know about you, but I do not want to name someone within a thread only to lose my house, my IRA or my coin collection via legal fees even if I win the lawsuit. >>
Bingo - well said!
People think they can hide behind alts, etc. Utter nonsense. You are ALWAYS legally responsible for what you post. In the USA, the only
entities which are not responsible are the web hosts and providers - they are not responsible for what people post on their forums...
It is delusional to think that you can say anything you want to about anyone, and not be potentially held responsible... Even if you think
you have yourself well hidden - it is usually child's play for someone to discover who you are. Example - CU could be tasked to provide
information about you (your PMs with your name and mailing address from BST deals, etc.) and believe me, they would provide such
information to a competent court jurisdiction - so would MSN, Hotmail, Yahoo, or Google, or any other legitimate provider or host.
If you knew you could be sued for what you say here, or elsewhere, would that change your attitude about so-called freedom of speech,
or, about some of the things you post here? I don't know, but that should be every poster's problem - the decision I mean...
Definitely something to think about...
John
SFC, US Army (Ret.) 1974-1994
<< <i>Seems like two people were named on BB.com. Anonymously of course. >>
So I have to wonder - if what BB named is true - exactly how does that change anything? What actions will we as a collector take that matters to those two individuals one iota? Probably nothing. For all the wailing here about wanting names, even when one has names nothing is gonna happen.
<< <i>Seems like two people were named on BB.com. Anonymously of course. >>
I have never heard of them, but I promise I will not buy coins from either of them going forward. There, I have done my share.
<< <i>Stickers, Stickers, Stickers!!! >>
I do believe that you've been mocking the CAC constantly in your posts on this board. I hope that the responses to this thread help you to consider that the CAC approach is a hell of a lot more robust than asking people to simply out the doctors -- with anonymous messages on 'net boards, no less.
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