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More help with unknown coins please!! jetons, ancient, magician?
ormandh
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Here are a few of my headscratchers. I love these things, but I do not like the fact that I do not know how to find info on them. Any help will greatly be appreciated. -Dan
Magician's token?
Brazil?
Jeton?
Magician's token?
Brazil?
Jeton?
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I agree with you that the globe on the second piece screams "Brazil", but beyond that, your guess is as good as mine.
The third one looks like a 17th century piece to me. I believe Sweden had a series of them with various mythological deities on them. (Maybe there were actually coins, too- I forget). Anyway, I have seen a few with various gods on them, and the names in Latin. You've got Neptune on one side and Hercules & Pallas on the other. I wonder what the "H.K." is. Probably a mintmark or maker's initials. Interesting.
Jose
#1 is an Islamic piece from the 1st-3rd centuries, or later. I was able to find some that were very similar, but not exactly. -Dan
Can you tell I'm making random stabs in the dark, here?
Check out the first (top left) coin on this page.
One outta three ain't bad.
Of course I haven't attributed it, beyond confirming my vague notion that it's almost surely a sixth- or seventh-century Sassanian piece.
I'm just proud to have gotten that far with it.
However, I am troubled by the imprecise nature of the crown, below the wings. I was thinking perhaps it was a Tabaristan piece, latter half of the 8th century.
Of course, I cannot tell if the piece is a dirhem or a half dirhem. I do not believe that dirhems were minted in Tabaristan. A dirham, or drachm, probably should be between 30 and 32 mm.
I will attempt to attach images, once I reduce the pic size to below 50 kb.
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<< <i>That 1495-1521 counter must be the scarcest piece of the three-- i've never seen a portuguese counter before! Didn't know Portugal struck counter pieces way back then. The last piece is a jeton, probably mid-1500's to early 1600's and i'm thinking, a Netherlands piece. >>
There are portuguese counter tokens struck from Afonso III (1248-1279) until Henrique I (1578-1580) and its reference book is the same as the general portuguese coins, the catalogue value given for ormandh's piece is 30 Euro in F but they are usually sold cheaper than "book" prices.
You're right, they are quite scarce, but almost nobody collects them by type, maybe 2/3 people...
Jose
<< <i>What exactly is a counter piece? Where would I find a reference for them?
#1 is an Islamic piece from the 1st-3rd centuries, or later. I was able to find some that were very similar, but not exactly. -Dan >>
It's not possible to have an islamic piece from the 1st - 3rd centuries, is it? Islam emerged in the 7th century. Of course, they have a different calendar, don't they?
I have to say, this is the main reason that I collect darkside material. I will never run out of things to pursue that I have little knowledge of.
-Dan
<< <i>LM you hit the nail on the head!! Good job!! >>
Thanks. I was hammering in the dark. Good thing I didn't hit my thumb, instead!
Using these resources, I believe I've translated your coin to be from the Ardashir-Khurra mint (AR mintmark), during the 6th year of King Khusro II. Example from Zeno.ru.
I have to say, though,that that's the funkiest portrait I've ever seen on a Sassanian coin. Very mediaeval-looking. Where'd his beard go? Heck, never mind the beard, where's his chin?!?
Edited to add: I believe "Year 6 of Khusro II" translates to 595 AD.
Roman emperor Marcus Aurelius, "Meditations"
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