clemens will not goto jail.

kuhlmann

and ill go out on a limb here and say he will be governer of texas or new york within 5 years. just a feeling

stown

I'll vote for him!

FREE ROCKET!

edmundfitzgerald

In the end, you're right, he won't go to jail. There is not enough hard evidence to convict him of anything.
It basically comes down to his word, versus Andy and Brian's word.

However, I'm still amazed that Shoeless Joe Jackson was banned from baseball for doing absolutely nothing,
and guys like Bonds, McGwire, Palmeiro, and the others are not.

Go to www.blackbetsy.com and read Joe's last interview about the subject before he died. It is amazing
that he has not been reinstated yet.

While Roger won't go to jail, I will continue to believe Andy Pettite on this. As far as I'm concerned Roger Clemens
lied to the world today when he said "Andy misremembered". I do have a soft side for Roger because he lost
his dad at a young age. That's a very painful thing in life. However, Roger should have fessed up like his good friend Andy.

stown

Now we are comparing steroids with throwing ball games?

edmundfitzgerald

No, we're not. There was no "hard evidence" that Clemens took steroids.
There was no "hard evidence" that Jackson threw a game. He actually had a great series,
did not make one error, but was banned because he associated with people who threw games.

Andy's statements against Clemens are more damning then anything ever thrown
at Joe Jackson. Jackson had a great series. Clemens' best friend told the truth
about Roger's drug use. Roger called his friend unreliable in his ability to remember truth.

Roger cheated in baseball. Joe Jackson did not. Just my opinion.

kuhlmann

AT'FIDAVIT OF ANDY PBTTITTE
I, ANDY PETTITTE, do depose and state:
1. In 1999 or 20OO, I had a conversation Mith Roger Clemens in
which Roger told me tllat he had taken human growth hormone ("HGH").
This conversation occurred at his grm in Memorial, Texas. He did not
tell me where he got the HGH or from whom, but he did tell me that it
helped tJle body recover.
2. I told my wife, Laura, about the conversation Mith Roger
soon after it happened.
3. Shortly after my conversation Mith Roger, I spoke with Brian
McNamee. Only he and I were parties to the conversation. I asked Brian
about HGH and told him that Roger said he had used it. Brian McNamee
became angry. He told me that Roger should not have told me about his
HGH use because it was supposed to be confidential. While I don't
remember if Brian told me that he supplied Roger with HGH, it certainly
Mas my impression from the conversation that he did.
4. In 2OO5, around the time of tJ:e Congressional hearings into
the use of performance enhancing drugs in baseball, I had a
conversation with Roger Clemens in Kissimmee, Florida. I asked him
what he would say if asked by reporters if he ever used performance
enhancing drugs. When he asked me what I meant, I reminded him tJlat
he had told me that he used HGH.
5. Roger responded by telling me tJ:at I must have
misunderstood him; he claimed that he told me that it was his wife,
Debbie, who used HGH.
6. I said, "Oh, okay," or words to that effect, not because I
agreed, but because I wasn't going to argue with him.
7. Shortly after, I told my wife, Laura, about this seconC
conversation witJ Roger about HGH and his comment about his wife.
8. Regarding my owrl use of HGH, as I have admitted publicly,
used it for two days in 2OO2 to attempt to recover from an elbow injury.
also have told the committee's attorneys, and I restate it here, that in
2OO4, when I tore the flexor tendon in my pitching arrtr., I again used
HGH two times in one day out of frustration and in a futile attempt to
recover. Unfortunately, I needed surgery on t.|e arm later in the year. I
regret these lapses in judgment.
I declare under the penalty of perjury that t]le forgoing is true and
correct. Executed on Februarlr 8, 2OO8.

kuhlmann

this part is weird

5. Roger responded by telling me tJ:at I must have
misunderstood him; he claimed that he told me that it was his wife,
Debbie, who used HGH.
6. I said, "Oh, okay," or words to that effect, not because I
agreed, but because I wasn't going to argue with him.


roger does say misunderstand. but pettitte dismisses it. but that can be looked at as he said he said bull again. i dont think they have anything to convict clemens unless the needles and amps show dna which i dont think they will.

DeutscherGeist

yes, Kuhlmann, nothing to convict Clemens on, but at the same time those needles and gauze do not prove a thing because the chain of custody is in question. Steroids were easy to obtain for MacNamee and blood from athletes is not that hard to get also, so the "evidence" could have easily been manufactured, therefore it would not stand in court.