PSA 10 vs BGS 10...
davepsufan
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Should there be much if any price difference between a PSA 10 card and a BGS 10? Who is known for grading harder? The link is for an auction for a 05-06 Ultra Sidney Crosby BGS 10. It is well over $250 now. I recently bought a PSA 10 of the same card on ebay for $160. Did I just get lucky? By the way, I sold a PSA 9 Crosby for $145 on ebay a few weeks prior.
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You can bet both will be darn near perfect.
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probably going to get flack over this one,
BGS 10, much more desireable, and rarer to find.
<< <i>PSA 10 are more like the BGS 9.5
probably going to get flack over this one,
BGS 10, much more desireable, and rarer to find. >>
No flack, I know of no BGS 10 that has a pop over 20 (and those are the most heavily submitted cards i.e. Bonds rookies and Griffey rookies). Some PSA 10's have hundreds of 10's out there. PSA 10's are USUALLY equated with BGS 9.5's. This is pretty industry standard at this point.
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less that 1/2 of 1% ever get graded BGS 10
this is for ALL cards graded by them, of all sports
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<< <i>PSA 10 are more like the BGS 9.5
probably going to get flack over this one,
BGS 10, much more desireable, and rarer to find. >>
Thats a fact with modern.
No 10's yet. BUT, I will conquer that someday!
<< <i>I got my first one two weeks ago!
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10 Centering?
It's not even 50-50.
BGS goes up to a "Prestine" scale, which is 10, but their "Gem Mint" is 9.5, same as PSA's Gem Mint 10.
If you ask me, I would say that PSA should get a "Prestine" in their scale too, and make it a PSA 10+
You can find a "Prestine" card in a PSA holder, but thats graded a PSA 10, so you would them take that PSA 10 graded card and send it off to BGS in hopes of a BGS Prestine 10, which is higher than BGS's Gem Mint 9.5 & PSA's Gem Mint 10.
A good example of that is that Jordan 86 Fleer Rookie that was graded a PSA Gem Mint 10, and then somebody cracked it or something and sent it to BGS to get a perfect "Prestine" 10. They were saying that was the next $100,000.00 card or something like that, or it sold for that, not positive if it sold for that or what, but thats pretty much it.
So, yes a BGS prestine is higher than PSA's Gem Mint 10, but its also higher than BGS's Gem Mint 9.5, only that PSA dosen't use the prestine scale, but dosen't mean your not gona find a "prestine type card in a PSA 10 graded card
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Here's you go: 05-06 SP Authentic Sidney Crosby has 27 BGS 10s
Set Player # 1.0 1.5 2.0 2.5 3.0 3.5 4.0 4.5 5.0 5.5 6.0 6.5 7.0 7.5 8.0 8.5 9.0 9.5 10 Total
2005-06 SP Authentic Sidney Crosby AU 181 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 14 58 171 27 273
Understandly, a very popular card of a phenom who turned out to be the real deal.
<< <i>No flack, I know of no BGS 10 that has a pop over 20
Here's you go: 05-06 SP Authentic Sidney Crosby has 27 BGS 10s
Set Player # 1.0 1.5 2.0 2.5 3.0 3.5 4.0 4.5 5.0 5.5 6.0 6.5 7.0 7.5 8.0 8.5 9.0 9.5 10 Total
2005-06 SP Authentic Sidney Crosby AU 181 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 14 58 171 27 273
Understandly, a very popular card of a phenom who turned out to be the real deal. >>
I think this whole prestine thing these days dosen't mean anything anyway, because if you look at most of them, you will see that they should be Gem Mint's or even worst in some cases. The prestine's of the old days will mean something, but not all these prestine's their popping out these days, when they should really be Gem Mint 9.5's.
It could mean two things if you ask me(IMO). 1. Beckett is getting very lazy and soft with their grading, and giving Gem Mint 9.5' 10's.
Or 2. The card companies are just making the cards so perfect these days, that most cards come out in prestine shape, and will stay that way untill you ding a corner or something. What I mean it they make better centering or no centering at all, the make sure the corners and edges are super sharpe and the surface is scratch free and so on.
So you got, either the card companies are taking the time to make better quality cards, or you got BGS giving out grades that shouldn't be, because 5 years back, you would have all these prestine 10's around, and definetly not 10 years ago(is BGS even that old??? LOL).
Giovanni
<< <i>The only thing I can say about the Jordan 10 is that someone scored big time. I've held my shares of 86 Jordans, and they are oversized T/B. Chop, chop.
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This jordan was a crossover..The guy bought it at a show then went straight to the BGS booth where they cracked it out and graded it. If this card was trimmed it would have to had been trimmed while housed in a PSA holder as well..
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<< <i>No flack, I know of no BGS 10 that has a pop over 20
Here's you go: 05-06 SP Authentic Sidney Crosby has 27 BGS 10s
Set Player # 1.0 1.5 2.0 2.5 3.0 3.5 4.0 4.5 5.0 5.5 6.0 6.5 7.0 7.5 8.0 8.5 9.0 9.5 10 Total
2005-06 SP Authentic Sidney Crosby AU 181 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 14 58 171 27 273
Understandly, a very popular card of a phenom who turned out to be the real deal. >>
I think this whole prestine thing these days dosen't mean anything anyway, because if you look at most of them, you will see that they should be Gem Mint's or even worst in some cases. The prestine's of the old days will mean something, but not all these prestine's their popping out these days, when they should really be Gem Mint 9.5's.
It could mean two things if you ask me(IMO). 1. Beckett is getting very lazy and soft with their grading, and giving Gem Mint 9.5' 10's.
Or 2. The card companies are just making the cards so perfect these days, that most cards come out in prestine shape, and will stay that way untill you ding a corner or something. What I mean it they make better centering or no centering at all, the make sure the corners and edges are super sharpe and the surface is scratch free and so on.
So you got, either the card companies are taking the time to make better quality cards, or you got BGS giving out grades that shouldn't be, because 5 years back, you would have all these prestine 10's around, and definetly not 10 years ago(is BGS even that old??? LOL).
Giovanni >>
Ok, great example anyway - there are 171 9.5's and 27 10's. That's 6.3 Gem Mint's for every 1 Pristine.
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I guess BGS is trying to get as much business as they can these days. Why do you think prestine 10's are not selling for as high as they used to? They used to mean something back then, but now its like everytime you turn around you see another prestine 10.
And like I said, its either the graders are giving better grades for no reason, or the card companies are taking special care these days in making cards.
Giovanni
<< <i>I got my first one two weeks ago!
sorry for the poor scan >>
this a great card of him carrying the ball. which for some reason is not a violation in the NBA.
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<< <i>I think that BGS is trying to make their customers feel special these days, lol, and give them Mint 9 cards a Gem Mint, and what used to be Gem Mint cards, now a prestine. In the old days, that 171 number would be for the Mint 9's and 27 of them wouls be Gem Mint 9.5 and maybe 1 would be a prestine 10.
I guess BGS is trying to get as much business as they can these days. Why do you think prestine 10's are not selling for as high as they used to? They used to mean something back then, but now its like everytime you turn around you see another prestine 10.
And like I said, its either the graders are giving better grades for no reason, or the card companies are taking special care these days in making cards.
Giovanni >>
Gio, If you knew as half as much as you act like you do when it comes to grading you would know the population reports are not exact. Most modern refractor type submitters do a minimum 9.5 grade requirement which skews the pop reports makin it seem as if everything is getting high grade when in reality this is not the case.
Now if you have a 1980's card that is a 10, then that is truely special
But for this day and age, it's not going to be too uncommon. So Giovanni, stop trying to spin how BGS is trying to make their customers feel special, any more than PSA is trying to do with their .5 Grades now.
It all has to do with the available technology of now and then.
And while we are at it, if I had a choice, I would take BGS slabs any day over the cheap PSA slabs.
I'm 99.9% sure that a card in a BGS slab that says 9.5 or 10 IS the card that was graded by BGS as being that grade. As for PSA with their cheap and easy to crack slabs, my confidence in the card that is in the PSA slab is not so confident. Too many threads on how EASY it is to crack a PSA slab. Too many horror stories on how a card in a PSA slab was changed out.
None about BGS slabs, and no, I am NOT talking about those slabs from BGS that are sealed with that sticker, that's a different can of worms, I wouldn't touch one of them either with a 10 foot pole.
So should I send it to Beckett or just be happy with it the way it is?
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And Nick, this is for you: "Prestine"
Giovanni
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<< <i>I think that BGS is trying to make their customers feel special these days, lol, and give them Mint 9 cards a Gem Mint, and what used to be Gem Mint cards, now a prestine. In the old days, that 171 number would be for the Mint 9's and 27 of them wouls be Gem Mint 9.5 and maybe 1 would be a prestine 10.
I guess BGS is trying to get as much business as they can these days. Why do you think prestine 10's are not selling for as high as they used to? They used to mean something back then, but now its like everytime you turn around you see another prestine 10.
And like I said, its either the graders are giving better grades for no reason, or the card companies are taking special care these days in making cards.
Giovanni >>
Gio, If you knew as half as much as you act like you do when it comes to grading you would know the population reports are not exact. Most modern refractor type submitters do a minimum 9.5 grade requirement which skews the pop reports makin it seem as if everything is getting high grade when in reality this is not the case. >>
Thats a pretty good point, I never really thought of that, with people doing that minimum grade thing. I don't think everybody does this minimum grade thing, but its good point, and yes, some of the 9.5's are do to that.
I still think there are way to many prestine 10's out there compared to a few years back, so like I said, I think its do either from BGS giving out higher grades when the card dosen't really deserve it, OR the card companies are making prestine cards these days, because they can definetly do it when they want, and it seems like there making more and more cards in better condition than they ever did.
Giovanni
<< <i>Gio, If you type the word prestine one more time my head will explode. >>
agreed