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First look at a graded PSA 8.5

digicatdigicat Posts: 8,551 ✭✭
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Pic borrowed from Ebay...

45/55 centering l/r with a minor tilt, slight touches on 2 corners, plus edge chipping common with this issue.

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  • RipublicaninMassRipublicaninMass Posts: 10,051 ✭✭✭
    ooo that was worth the feee


  • Brian48Brian48 Posts: 2,624 ✭✭✭
    Geez. That looks like a 7 to me. image
  • julen23julen23 Posts: 4,558 ✭✭
    those of you not familiar w/ 71 set, they do get a different grading standard than other sets. it is hard as hell to gauge how a '71 card will be graded also.

    IMHO grade fits card, wonderful card.

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  • gameusedhoopgameusedhoop Posts: 3,628 ✭✭✭✭
    The owner of that card must have let PSA take some scans for a book or something. Scratch our back, we'll scratch yours.
  • StingrayStingray Posts: 8,843 ✭✭✭
    Some more:

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  • DavidPuddyDavidPuddy Posts: 3,488 ✭✭✭
    I think Foster wanted a 9
    He does not look happy
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  • MorgothMorgoth Posts: 3,950 ✭✭✭
    Looks like angles aren't hurting the cards. The 71 Foster doesn't make me too excited it's centering is the only great thing about it. If the Foster is notoriously OC then I can see someone spending alot for that copy. The 75 Kaline is centered a little high too me for the bump. Pretty inconsistent lot to start off.
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  • jrinckjrinck Posts: 1,321 ✭✭
    That Foster doesn't even look like an 8 to me.
  • goose3goose3 Posts: 11,471 ✭✭✭
    image
  • halosfanhalosfan Posts: 2,644 ✭✭✭✭
    Foster just looks wrong in a Giants cap
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  • BobaFett72BobaFett72 Posts: 7,304
    dont
    make
    george
    foster
    mad....
  • DavidPuddyDavidPuddy Posts: 3,488 ✭✭✭
    image

    large missing chunk = PSA 7
    JMHO
    "The Sipe market is ridiculous right now"
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  • Mickey71Mickey71 Posts: 4,261 ✭✭✭✭
    A few months ago I sent in about 4 cards from 71 as nice with definately nicer printing and got all 7's. I do agree that the Foster is an 8 but not an 8.5. We will see dealers soon with their cases with many 8.5's that look overgraded. This is what we all saw with the GAI downfall. By the way, the Foster will now sell for $14 as opposed to $13. I'm wondering if it was sent in on the one day service(estimated turnaround time)image
  • lowstartmicklowstartmick Posts: 304


    << <i>image

    large missing chunk = PSA 7
    JMHO >>



    Large chunk missing = PSA 1. Some submitters are allowed to ride in the executive elevator and 1%'ers are herded in to the freight elevator.
    Whoever said we wash away with the rain ?
  • digicatdigicat Posts: 8,551 ✭✭


    << <i> By the way, the Foster will now sell for $14 as opposed to $13 >>



    PSA 8 Fosters usually go for between $30 and $45.



    << <i>large missing chunk = PSA 7 >>



    Looks more like a rough cut thats not uncommon with 71s. I've seen plenty of 8s with them.
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  • StanTheManMusialStanTheManMusial Posts: 2,053 ✭
    Damn, someone got a gift on that 71' Davison/Foster. Not worthy of an 8.5 in my opinion, but I have been told I am a bit too picky.
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    I fear I need to see MANY more examples before I feel comfortable
    deciding which ones I should submit.
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  • nam812nam812 Posts: 10,600 ✭✭✭✭✭
    storm888 - Have you ever posted to a thread without at least ONE word capitalized? image
  • HighChopperHighChopper Posts: 1,091
    large missing chunk = PSA 7

    Duh!
    There's a hole in my head where the rain comes in.
  • HighChopperHighChopper Posts: 1,091
    .5 = L-A-M-E.

    I like the old PSA better.

    Perhaps for high-dollar vintage, but for anything else ... Not for me.

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  • onefasttalononefasttalon Posts: 1,207 ✭✭✭
    I don't have a book in front of me (at work,) what's that card 'book' for raw????

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  • chaz43chaz43 Posts: 2,140 ✭✭✭
    PSA 6. chaz
  • digicatdigicat Posts: 8,551 ✭✭


    << <i>PSA 6. chaz >>



    I wonder if PSA would agree with you.
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  • chaz43chaz43 Posts: 2,140 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>PSA 6. chaz >>



    I wonder if PSA would agree with you. >>




    The left side edge on that card is brutal. chaz
  • HighChopperHighChopper Posts: 1,091
    Even for OPC ... left edge is horrible!
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  • Mickey71Mickey71 Posts: 4,261 ✭✭✭✭
    Digicat,
    If that card sells for $45 then I need to send in all of my 8's for reviews and become a millionaire. I think it's worth $14 tops. It's a junky 8 at best. When I said the card is an 8 I was being ultra generous on the rough cut when in actuality it is more than rough- it basically has a piece missing on the left side. Keep me posted on what the card sells for. I wouldn't buy the card for $10 buy it now.
    Mickey71image
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    Well.........I Dunno.......

    IF loooking at hundreds more does not make me feel more educated/confident
    than I feel now, I may start to think this needs to be explained better:

    ///////////////////

    Half-Point Grades:

    Cards that exhibit high-end qualities within each particular grade, between PSA Good 2 and PSA Mint 9, may achieve a half-point increase. While PSA graders will evaluate all of the attributes possessed by a card in order to determine if the card may be eligible, there will be a clear focus on centering.

    Generally speaking, a card must exhibit centering that is 5-10% better, at minimum, than the lowest % allowed within a particular grade. It is important to note that there may be cases where the overall strength of the card, such as the quality of the corners and print, will give the card the edge it needs despite the fact that it may exhibit only marginal centering for the grade. This is especially true for cards that find themselves within the bottom half of the PSA 1-10 scale.

    ///////////////////////

    It might be that the .5 of EACH grade actually needs to be explained
    inside of the published Grading Standards. Since they know what they
    are looking for, they should be able to explain it in pretty good detail.

    BUT, I have now seen fewer than 20 cards. Maybe I will "get-it" better
    after handling a bunch of them.
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  • digicatdigicat Posts: 8,551 ✭✭


    << <i>If that card sells for $45 then I need to send in all of my 8's for reviews and become a millionaire. I think it's worth $14 tops. It's a junky 8 at best. When I said the card is an 8 I was being ultra generous on the rough cut when in actuality it is more than rough- it basically has a piece missing on the left side. Keep me posted on what the card sells for. I wouldn't buy the card for $10 buy it now. >>



    If this card had a $30 BIN, I'd be mine already.

    A VERY tilted PSA 8 Foster (42/58 l/r top half, 54/46 l/r bottom half) just sold for $47 a week ago.
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  • RipublicaninMassRipublicaninMass Posts: 10,051 ✭✭✭
    curious anyone know what this sold for?
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    Holy Crap!! image chaz
  • digicatdigicat Posts: 8,551 ✭✭
    The auction's still running....


    There's a PSA 8 that's been bid up to over $70 with 5 days to go, I guess either there are some new collectors agressivly hunting his cards, or Foster's been training in the off season and is gonna make a comeback.... image
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  • MeteoriteGuyMeteoriteGuy Posts: 7,140 ✭✭
    I think it is a nice card with a rough cut, rather then a missing piece. I think we could blow up the worst spot on any rough cut and make it look bad.
    Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards.
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  • RonBurgundyRonBurgundy Posts: 5,491 ✭✭✭
    Chaz is right. If that card is an 8.5, then the stuff I just had graded that came back in 6 holders are actually Gem Mint 10's.

    Awful.




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  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,478 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree with Digicat - the side "rough cut" area is not figured in the grade - just the corners of cards in that category.

    On the .5'ism.

    I think down the road it makes PSA more competitive with companies that have it.

    The fact that they said last month or last year that they wouldn't do it is - at this point - moot.

    My cards are still what they are - and I enjoy the heck our of them and the hobby.

    Tell ya what? Take out a binder today or a stack of PSA's - read the backs - the stats - the Topps comic - look at the picuture...

    No matter what happens, those cards are still good - enjoy them. image

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  • HighChopperHighChopper Posts: 1,091
    Tell ya what? Take out a binder today or a stack of PSA's - read the backs - the stats - the Topps comic - look at the picuture...

    Stone, you are beautiful, man!

    Rick

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  • rube26105rube26105 Posts: 10,225 ✭✭
    image
    jeff--barvader- you need this in your sigline haaaaaaaaaa i like his
    george forster looks like a little twirp trying to look mean to meimage
  • jhpfunkjhpfunk Posts: 406
    I have a Foster rookie that's nicer than that one for sale. I'm glad you got the bump, but that seems like they're priming the pump a bit.Foster rookie and a whole lot more
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  • RipublicaninMassRipublicaninMass Posts: 10,051 ✭✭✭
    ALLLLL the way up 22 bucks
  • digicatdigicat Posts: 8,551 ✭✭


    << <i>I have a Foster rookie that's nicer than that one for sale. I'm glad you got the bump, but that seems like they're priming the pump a bit. >>



    Actually, it's not mine, I found it on Ebay. It belongs to BBCE.

    Your Foster has already passed the highest price that a PSA 8 Foster has realized for the past 16 months, according to VCP. Congrats!
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  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Both the Foster and kaline shown in this thread are not IMO worthy of the grades they got.

    The Foster is a 5 and the Kaline a 7

    of course my opinion matters not, PSA's does.


    This does not mean that those examples will sell premiums.


    Steve

    Good for you.
  • jhpfunkjhpfunk Posts: 406
    Thank you mucho. I think there have been a good amount of folks looking to resubmit my cards. I just don't have the energy or the care to get involved with that anymore. I'm pretty much done buying vintage. I'll be selling the collection through the summer though.

    Kell '48 SP, Heilmann Amer. Caramels, Kaline collection, Gibson rookie, Jennings Cracker Jack and much more
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  • rise2itrise2it Posts: 160

    I personally think that messing with a system that has worked for 15+ years is a mistake.

    One of the reasons PSA caught on was 'simplicity'.

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  • jhpfunkjhpfunk Posts: 406
    agreed.
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  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Just like anything else the change to .5 will benefit some.

    Cards with serious price spreads between grades for one.

    It is those cards that IMO should be graded within a .5 scale

    Steve



    Good for you.
  • jhpfunkjhpfunk Posts: 406
    Thankfully a lot of the cards I've been selling have had pretty wide gaps between graded values.

    Foxx, Freehan, Gehinger, Bob Gibson, Goslin and much more
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  • 123Slider123Slider Posts: 851 ✭✭
    It will be interesting to watch the trends develop. The Foster went for 100. last PSA 8 was 47 and last PSA 9 was 470.
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  • jhpfunkjhpfunk Posts: 406
    ...and that Foster was not as nice as mine. I'm crossing my fingers.
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  • kingbeeswaxkingbeeswax Posts: 1,423 ✭✭✭
    A 71 Munson 8.5 would be a nice card to have..if graded properly
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  • DataDriven05DataDriven05 Posts: 164 ✭


    Here is an auction that closed tonight. A little surprised it didn't go for more. Maybe some were turned off by the auction itself, but it will be interesting to see how high profile .5 bumps shake out in the future

    49 Bowman Campy
  • envoy98envoy98 Posts: 4,000 ✭✭
    Even at $1330, it still shows a 30% premium over all the other straight 8's. Although it's a far cry from the $4.7k + the 9's are seeing, a large part of that could be pop though.

    Nice looking card.
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