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BUT, I wish the protesters all the best.
EBAY Buyers............ NEG Victoriously !
Its like gas boycotts Ebay knows there sellers will list regardless..
I am not going to stop listing over the feedback policy. I still believe it is just a ploy by Ebay. Even if it does happen its an adjustment sellers will have to make or stop selling their choice.
<< <i>Yahoo has auctions right??? But I don't anyone that uses them. Until Ebay has some competition it won't matter, people will still use the site. >>
I don't believe Yahoo auctions are around anymore.
Decent sellers have nothing to worry about.
Jackass feedback hostage sellers
are crapping their pants because now they're finally going to have to produce or die.
Screw 'em. Long live eBay! It's better than ever now baby!
"How about a little fire Scarecrow ?"
<The boycott will NEVER work.>
if it hits em in the wallett hard enuff and enuff people leave and fid other places to sell it will,its all bout greed,and trying to cover up their new rates the link storm put up had some diff websites on it that might be good ,i never checked em out real good, i think they are doing a field test,they can have their stuipid new policy up and running tomorrow if they wanted,right now they are just seeing how big a fuss they can make in my opinion,its working
i got me a post on there if the print ityoull be able to notice it real easy
its signed "thus sayeth the rube
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The feedback is not the only issue. Though they dropped the insert fees, the final value fees were raised quite a bit. Personally I am looking to see if there are other viable options out there.
Here's a site that has some pretty good information:
link
Ron
Buying Vintage, all sports.
Buying Woody Hayes, Les Horvath, Vic Janowicz, and Jesse Owens autographed items
99% of the buyers are not going to care or pull anyting it is that one percent that will screw you. Which I have a plan on dealing with that one too.
I think most sellers are blowing it out of proportion. If under the current system a guy with an 88% feedback rating can be the largest seller on Ebay then 99% of the sellers should have nothing to worry about.
<< <i>Actually I think sellers will be better off IF the new system goes in leaving feedback after the buyers. I have mine set up with Auctiva to leave automaticaly when I receive it and I get about a 95% return rate on feedback and I have only had one or 2 buyers ask for feedback first.
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What a scammer... So you dont leave feedback first if the buyer pays? I have to ask why not, afraid of a negative after the item is recieved???? No wonder you have no negatives..this is EXACTLY the type of seller this system is for.
The transaction is not over until the BUYER gets the item and is satisfied.
How hard is it to understand the word VOLUNTARY in regards to feedback. If the system were true to real life then most sellers would have a lot more neutral ratings. Most transactions I have ever been involved in on Ebay are nothing more than neutral like most transactions that take place in real life.
I used to leave feedback first until I had a buyer buy some stuff from me and 5 other sellers he immediatly relisted the items on Ebay when they did not sell he filed a SNAD claim with Paypal the only 2 that did not get a neg from him when we showed Paypal his game and they denied all his claims were the 2 sellers who did not leave feedback first. This is the type buyer the new system is going to help.
The new system it will still not matter when a seller leaves feedback one bit. Last time I checked Ebaty was for buying and selling items not feedback. The buyers that want to take advantage will be culled from the herd quickly as will the sellers who are below standard.
If I were truly worried about it I would be joining the boycott and crying like other sellers. I am taking the adjust or die approach to it. It bothers me that it will aid the scamming buyers, but not enough to worry about.
In the categories I sell mostly in I have over a dozen repeat customers and very few new customers on these items. These repeat customers make up 60 to 70% of my weekly Ebay sales I am not worried. I must be doing something right for them to keep coming back. One of them I have NEVER left feedback for nor has he ever left it for me, but since June of last year he has spent nearly 2000 dollars on my auctions.
I am thinking of putting something in my auctions along the lines of "item will not be shipped until all funds have CLEARED my paypal account, no exceptions. If you don't agree, don't bid."
Especially since they will be earning interest on my money and not paying me any. OR I will just not use paypal.
Why is this the only change that takes place in May all the others take place in February?
I think Ebay used it as cover to hide the new fee increase and in March or April will send out a letter saying something like "We have listened to your concerns" blah blah blah
If I am wrong sellers will "ADJUST OR DIE." Thats a key to running any business. All the wanna be entrepreneurs Ebay has created will learn the hard way.
Fact is you cannot hold something hostage that is voluntary in the first place.
I thought Ebay was about buying items not feedback. Who cares about it.. I personally don't. If it were up to me I would never leave feedback at all, but out of courtesy I set Auctiva to do it for me.
<< <i>So Auctiva is the scammer??? Please, dont delude youself, and please dont take me, and the others on this board for idiots. Buyer pays YOU leave feedback, I dont care "how it is set up" plain and simple. Your " have (your feedback) set up with Auctiva to leave automaticaly when (you) receive it" so does it autmatically leave a negative too? What buyer would leave a negative if their feedback was held hostage? You are not going to win this arguement, and I would think 99% of the members would agree this is feedback hostage. "Since Auctiva thinks it OK, it's fine by me" the prosecution rests >>
OK, how about this scenario? Let's say a buyer paid right away for an item. The shipper, in turn, ships the item out right away. The post office misroutes the package and delays the delivery for a week. The buyer is unhappy with the delivery time, but the shipper has clearly done his part. The buyer unreasonably leaves negative feedback for the seller for a lengthy delay in delivery, but again, the seller has done his part. If the buyer is being unreasonable in this fashion, that too is a part of the transaction that should be noted in the feedback.
Holding off on leaving feedback until the ENTIRE transaction is complete is not only intelligent, but it also helps sellers leave more honest feedback about their sellers.
You can call it a hostage situation all you want, but the above scenario proves you wrong.
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<< <i>So Auctiva is the scammer??? Please, dont delude youself, and please dont take me, and the others on this board for idiots. Buyer pays YOU leave feedback, I dont care "how it is set up" plain and simple. Your " have (your feedback) set up with Auctiva to leave automaticaly when (you) receive it" so does it autmatically leave a negative too? What buyer would leave a negative if their feedback was held hostage? You are not going to win this arguement, and I would think 99% of the members would agree this is feedback hostage. "Since Auctiva thinks it OK, it's fine by me" the prosecution rests >>
OK, how about this scenario? Let's say a buyer paid right away for an item. The shipper, in turn, ships the item out right away. The post office misroutes the package and delays the delivery for a week. The buyer is unhappy with the delivery time, but the shipper has clearly done his part. The buyer unreasonably leaves negative feedback for the seller for a lengthy delay in delivery, but again, the seller has done his part. If the buyer is being unreasonable in this fashion, that too is a part of the transaction that should be noted in the feedback.
Holding off on leaving feedback until the ENTIRE transaction is complete is not only intelligent, but it also helps sellers leave more honest feedback about their sellers.
You can call it a hostage situation all you want, but the above scenario proves you wrong. >>
Most guys aren't that unreasonable and everyone gets those folks at the same rate. The hostage game has created 99.9% feedback for a ton of guys who aren't really all that great. the above scenario proves that sellers will get some unwarranted negs. But in no way proves that the hostage game is nearly as accurate as honest feedback from buyers.
me either-but they are getting aot of publicity and exposure over it-there are people out there who dont know what ebay is in places,i think this is thier bottom line, create a fiasco,get a bunch of publicity-and then recind it,and say "oops ,my bad"
But is it against ebay policy? SCAM SCAM AND you too Gumbyfan SCAM...I hope buyers start leaving you honest feedback, and let the chips fall where they may
I CANT believe you BOTH would ADMIT this is ok? I leave feedback when the payment clears, if there are issues after then I DEAL WITH IT. Guess what?? Never had ONE NEG except when feedback was held hostage, I NEGGED a seller and he THEN left a retalliary NEG? HA!!! Cant imagine that one can you?
I guess I have been doing it wrong all along...yup the HONEST way. SHEESH I didnt know feedback hostage, yes HOSTAGE, was so prevelant and ACCEPTED. Anyways Leia, is it not YOUR feedback necessarily that is the topic if discussion, it is your practices, and from the looks of it, those of Gumbyfan.
I think I made my point
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Nobody has to leave FB, unless they want to.
It's voluntary.
I used to leave it upon payment, BUT had to stop
when the extortionist buyers were allowed to take
over EBAY.
My early FB, in all categories, used to be left the
day payment arrived; it read, for example:
"Prompt Payment Received 2-11-08. Item Shipped 2-11-08. Thanks!!"
That was easy for me, but it turned dangerous in some categories.
There are NOT alot of crooks - relatively speaking - in the collectibles
category. Most are in fashion and electronics; that is most of
my trade.
I still wanna know how feedback policy makes one a scammer? Explain ohh wise one.
And how can you hold feedback hostage??
As I said you either adjust or die. If as a seller I have to start leaving feedback first so the crybabies can have their precious point then I will do so. I am not selling or buying feedback on Ebay.
Waiting for the buyer to get his item and expressing satisfaction or dissatisfaction is not holding feedback hostage. Buyers can shoot an email or leave feedback. That way i know the deal is completed. I can now leave feedback as well. It has nothing to do with being honest or dishonest. Just another way to do business. I guess sellers could have left feedback right away and then when something came up they could reply. I prefer to wait until my buyers tell me all is ok. I keep them in the loop as I reply to the paypal email and/or when I get their check.
JMO
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I see your point however in a fair world the seller would not neg the buyer as afterall he did pay fast. The seller should in that case simply reply to the neg.
Sellers that retaliate are not good and I try not to do business with them. Regardless if the buyers blame them when they should blame the PO.
Steve
Just to humor those that think the feedback issue is "THE" issue , I'll share a few wonderful moments . I couple of years ago , I sold a very nice PCGS graded Morgan Dollar to a buyer, whose dog got hold of, then demanded a replacement or else. Two November's ago, I sold a PSA graded card to a women, for her husband. Their toddler urinated on the sealed card. Again, as before, the buyer demanded a replacement or else. Ebay at that time went to bat for me , and nothing bad came of it.
I realize there are some very stupid buyers out there , that have nothing better to do , than show their "GOOD" upbringing , lack of workable brian power , or simply evil con-people that live just to get over on someone .
On the other hand , the world has an awful lots of GARY'S out there , that purposely deceive , rip- off or live to just get over on someone . In my opinion , there are far more rip-off buyers than rip-off sellers. These pagan buuttt wipes that have scumming feedback , serve to warn the honest buyers and sellers away .Ebay is wrong for changing this system, that basiclly have served us well , as flawed as it may be.
Ebay has made NO changes , that has made any real changes for the better. Look at what hiding the ID's of certain bidders has done. It has produced a better system to allow shill bidders to operate in . As far as BAD seller's or buyers are concerned , Instead of removing the "ROTTEN" apples, who are easy to spot and find and OUT, ebay lets them burn as many people as the system will bear , in the name of money. The greater good is not as important as the greater profit.
I'm not into class warfare, and really do not want to head down that road, but feel that greed is at the root cause of these changes. I have not seen ANY arguements that shows that these changes benefit the back bone that supports the Ebay world. Its all about money. I sure would like to keep more of what I have made. Its US bringing OUR products to the market place (Ebay) , that makes Ebay money. Sure Ebay , provides an audience , but without the many honest sellers and buyers, Ebay would be much less that what it is.
I am boycotting and may just leave, anyway. Will it do any good ? I don't know , but I do know this . THE ONLY THING THAT EVIL PEOPLE NEED , TO SUCCEED , IS FOR GOOD PEOPLE TO DO NOTHING.
So, calaban7 are for the new eBay changes or against them?
"How about a little fire Scarecrow ?"
Also for the record I don't think there's any problem with leaving auto feedback using auctiva. I used to do it as soon as payment cleared, but stopped for the very reason Storm outlined. Just because RipublicaninMass doesn't do it, doesn't mean it's either way is wrong.
<< <i>So, calaban7 are for the new eBay changes or against them? >>
I'm sorry if I rambled in my post.
I believe that the feedback issue , is there just to distract us from the greater issue, THE MONEY.
In my own little way, as futile as it may become, I as well as others , plan to let Ebay know , We are not happy with the changes.
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That is really just a function of math.
Buyers and sellers are all recruited from the same population.
250,000,000 +/- Buyers
5,000,000 +/- Sellers
There MUST be more bad buyers than bad sellers.
The boycott will hurt EBAY a tiny bit. It will not hurt
me, because I am not willing to lose money to fight
with EBAY.
ONLY a real competitor in the online-sales business
will put an end to EBAY's evil ways. That does not
seem to be on the horizon.
In the meantime, I will continue to pass on every
price hike to the buyers. If I cannot make money
on EBAY, I can do so in MANY other ways. EBAY
needs sellers like me ALOT more than I need them;
they just don't know it, yet.
Good Luck On The Boycott!!!!!!
Steve
well said.
100% on the nose on this topic Gumby.
Steve
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YOU are not likely to be affected.
If you throw a $10K card up, when you usually sell
$100.00 cards, they will/may hold the money.
The changed scheme targets high-risk categories;
fashion and electronics.
Folks with less than 100 FB will have their funds held.
Folks with bad 30-day FB and DSR ratios will have
their funds held. (The FB changes could - in theory -
cause ANY seller to have funds held.)
AS others have noted: I doubt the FB changes will
happen. They are using a red-herring to slip the
MASSIVE fee-hikes past us.
to make sure they evade the 100-FB rule.
On Feb 20, the least expensive item you can
list is $1.00. No more one-cent recipes.
It will then cost a scamster at least $100.00
to get 100 FB.
EDITED TO ADD: New and honest sellers are
also having to buy recipes.
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<< <i>Actually I think sellers will be better off IF the new system goes in leaving feedback after the buyers. I have mine set up with Auctiva to leave automaticaly when I receive it and I get about a 95% return rate on feedback and I have only had one or 2 buyers ask for feedback first.
. >>
What a scammer... So you dont leave feedback first if the buyer pays? I have to ask why not, afraid of a negative after the item is recieved???? No wonder you have no negatives..this is EXACTLY the type of seller this system is for. >>
That is flawed logic, he is waiting to see if the buyer had any issues before leaving feedback for them. What if the buyer claims he didn't receive the item when delivery was made?
from what I was told if you normally sell 20.00 items then all of a sudden you start selling 2k items
they may hold your funds. that was the gist of it at least.
Steve