Letterman Tells Eli That Bill Belichick Exhibited Poor Behavior
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<< <i>I knew this "incident" of leaving the game early wasn't just going to go away for Belichick. Wonder if the league will fine him? - Maybe $500,000 again? >>
IMO, he should be fined. I have nothing against him, but it was wrong to do.
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<< <i>Don't know why this story is even getting airplay. It's not like Belichick snubbed Coughlin or anything--on the contrary he went out to midfield to congratulate him. And frankly speaking, the clock should have been run off anyway. If this wasn't Bill Belichick, no one would even be mentioning it (and I'm not a Pats fan). >>
Flat wrong! What if Eli fumbles the snap, the Patriots pick up the ball and run it in for a touchdown - and the coach isn't out on the field to witness it? Unacceptable in the NFL and it's not even debatable.
Think that can't happen? Ask Giants fans who know their football history if that can't happen. Eagles fans call it the "Miracle of the Meadowlands."
Also the game can't end on a defensive penalty. If Eli fumbles the snap, a Patriots player picks it up, and a Giants player who is now technically on defense, say for example trips him to tackle him, the game wouldn't end on that play. The Patriots would have a scoring opportunity and Belichick wouldn't be out on the field to call the play.
And come on now...this action by Belichick would be unacceptable in a preseason game...this was the Super Bowl for crying out loud!
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LOL, yeah, OK, and thanks to that game I don't think you'll EVER see ANY team attempt a handoff on the final play from scrimmage (unless you have a senile offensive coordinator like Bob Gibson calling the plays, that is), though that play was run with about 30 seconds left in the game on third down, if memory serves, and the Csonka himself said in the huddle that he wanted no part of that handoff. Apparently it was a conspiracy, LOL!. Maybe the NFL planned to leave a second on the clock to put Belichick on the hot seat in retaliation for Spygate...Lord knows the clock was screwy all game long.
Belichick is no sportsman but this is one incident that has been way overblown, espoecially when you consider Belichick's personality and prior transgressions.
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You sure have an active imagination don't you, Steve? Guess you have no choice as a Philly fan!
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<< <i>If Eli fumbles the snap, a Patriots player picks it up, and a Giants player who is now technically on defense, say for example trips him to tackle him, the game wouldn't end on that play.
You sure have an active imagination don't you, Steve? Guess you have no choice as a Philly fan!
"Imagination" has nothing to do with it...this is a real possibility which could occur and you know that. Belichick f*ed up...plain & simple...and at the Super Bowl...and should be fined for his behavior. Case closed.
<< <i>Think that can't happen? Ask Giants fans who know their football history if that can't happen. Eagles fans call it the "Miracle of the Meadowlands."
LOL, yeah, OK, and thanks to that game I don't think you'll EVER see ANY team attempt a handoff on the final play from scrimmage (unless you have a senile offensive coordinator like Bob Gibson calling the plays, that is), though that play was run with about 30 seconds left in the game on third down, if memory serves, and the Csonka himself said in the huddle that he wanted no part of that handoff. Apparently it was a conspiracy, LOL!. Maybe the NFL planned to leave a second on the clock to put Belichick on the hot seat in retaliation for Spygate...Lord knows the clock was screwy all game long.
Belichick is no sportsman but this is one incident that has been way overblown, espoecially when you consider Belichick's personality and prior transgressions. >>
I watched that game live on TV - What an amazing play. Who would have "imagined" a play like that, but it happened...and is precisely why Belichick should have been out on the field with the possibility of an amazing play happening and him being there to coach the team.
Come on now Jerry...he's the head coach! Randy Moss left a game a little early and was called a "punk" for doing so. So what should Belichick be called, the head coach, for leaving a game early when there was still a chance to win the game?
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just let it slide.
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<< <i>OK, "the fumble" Steve is referring to was not a fumbled snap. Joe Pisarcik took the snap very cleanly and took a few steps back while he turned to face Larry Csonka. Pisarcik then tried to hand off to Larry who just ran into Joe and the ball was fumbled. Had Pisarcik TOOK A KNEE the game was over. Nobody hands the ball off anymore so the likely event of a fumbled snap and recovery for a TD during a knee down is extremely remote and the closest thing to impossible without being impossible. >>
Doesn't matter whether anything was "impossible" or not even though winning the game for the Patriots, clearly was still technically possible...Belichick should have been out there. It doesn't matter what the situation was...there was time left on the clock and the head coach should have been out there. Case closed...again...at least it should be closed but Softparade and Jerry are sounding like two defense lawyers trying to get their obviously guilty defendant off the hook. Sorry, your client is guilty as charged. I say fine the bastige coach another 1/2 million!
"Had Pisarcik TOOK A KNEE the game was over."
In all fairness to the Giants, I don't believe that rule of "taking a knee" was in effect back then, so taking a knee wasn't part of the equation. Back then in that situation the other basic option other than a handoff to a running back was just a snap to the quarterback, and the quarterback basically pushes forward a little bit and falls behind the center as if tackled...which is what was done about 90% of the time in that situation back then.
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No debate is ever "closed" as you like to say alot Steve and I can't find ANYTHING I said that was BACKING Bill's behavior. Where did you pull out that stuff about my "client" and me trying to get "him off the hook"?
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The reason the Giants did not take a knee in that game was because their offensive coordinator at the time was an old school guy who believed such a play amounted to poor sportsmanship (as ridiculous at that now sounds). Yet another reason why such a play would NEVER happen in today's game.
Steve, your fascination with lawyers is always amusing, insofar as that anyone who disagrees with your opinion is classified as a "sleazy attorney."
For the record, I don't care one way or another if Belichick is fined or not, as I hate the Pats as much as any other Jets fan. My point was that thiis story has been overblown (much like the one where people thought Brady did not congratulate Manning after last year's AFC Championship game), because it is the Patriots. There was a mob of people on the field at that point that the refs had to clear off the field, so many others beside Belichick also believed the game was over, too. Was it poor sportsmanship that Belichick ran off the field, even though he had gone out to congratulate Coughlin anyway? Yes, definitely. But is it worthy of being fined half a million by the league? Definitely not. Of course, you may be kidding about that Steve, as Philly fans have an odd sense of humor that often escapes us.
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If you want to debate Bill's behavior at the end of the Super Bowl as an event that should cause him to be punished by the NFL I say you have a decent arguement. The mistake you made was trying to tie in a play that happened 30 years ago that has almost zero chance of happening again as the basis of your point. And if I am not mistaken, you could absolutely take a knee even in 1978.
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That is correct, Dan. The Giants' own players, especially Cszonka, wanted Pisarcik to do just that, but he refused to overrule the play that was called.
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<< <i>I agree with your point that Bill should have been on the sidelines. Very unprofessional of him and really it was no surprise given Bill's track record. Whether or not Bill should be fined I don't know and frankly don't care.
No debate is ever "closed" as you like to say alot Steve and I can't find ANYTHING I said that was BACKING Bill's behavior. Where did you pull out that stuff about my "client" and me trying to get "him off the hook"?
You're right - it was Jerry defending him not you. Hey, I'm just havin' a little fun, bustin' chops (LOL)
<< <i>And if I am not mistaken, you could absolutely take a knee even in 1978.
That is correct, Dan. The Giants' own players, especially Cszonka, wanted Pisarcik to do just that, but he refused to overrule the play that was called. >>
I'll have to Google it and read the story even though I watched it live on TV. Yes a quarterback could technically take a knee back then, but then the defense could still try to swarm the quarterback and jar the ball loose. I'm almost positive that "taking a knee" wasn't done back then...the quarterback would just take the snap and run like a quarterback sneak but with no intention of gaining yardage.
<< <i>In all fairness to the Giants, I don't believe that rule of "taking a knee" was in effect back then, so taking a knee wasn't part of the equation
The reason the Giants did not take a knee in that game was because their offensive coordinator at the time was an old school guy who believed such a play amounted to poor sportsmanship (as ridiculous at that now sounds). Yet another reason why such a play would NEVER happen in today's game.
Steve, your fascination with lawyers is always amusing, insofar as that anyone who disagrees with your opinion is classified as a "sleazy attorney."
For the record, I don't care one way or another if Belichick is fined or not, as I hate the Pats as much as any other Jets fan. My point was that thiis story has been overblown (much like the one where people thought Brady did not congratulate Manning after last year's AFC Championship game), because it is the Patriots. There was a mob of people on the field at that point that the refs had to clear off the field, so many others beside Belichick also believed the game was over, too. Was it poor sportsmanship that Belichick ran off the field, even though he had gone out to congratulate Coughlin anyway? Yes, definitely. But is it worthy of being fined half a million by the league? Definitely not. Of course, you may be kidding about that Steve, as Philly fans have an odd sense of humor that often escapes us.
I don't "sincerely" care either...just something to smack about between football and baseball season. I mean what else is there to do...Discuss basketball? Discuss hockey? Discuss ice skating? LOL
<<< But is it worthy of being fined half a million by the league? >>>
You're right - Make it an even million! That would be better!!!
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I don't "sincerely" care either...just something to smack about between football and baseball season. I mean what else is there to do...Discuss basketball? Discuss hockey? Discuss ice skating? LOL
<<< But is it worthy of being fined half a million by the league? >>>
You're right - Make it an even million! That would be better!!!
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Steve ..... PITCHERS AND CATCHERS are indeed an eyeblink away
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I don't "sincerely" care either...just something to smack about between football and baseball season. I mean what else is there to do...Discuss basketball? Discuss hockey? Discuss ice skating? LOL
<<< But is it worthy of being fined half a million by the league? >>>
You're right - Make it an even million! That would be better!!!
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Steve ..... PITCHERS AND CATCHERS are indeed an eyeblink away
Couldn't come soon enough. I'm getting withdrawal symptoms probably worse than a heroin addict. I need my football or baseball fix bad.
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<< <i>Don't know why this story is even getting airplay. It's not like Belichick snubbed Coughlin or anything--on the contrary he went out to midfield to congratulate him >>
Anyone that watched the game saw this actually happen.
Anyone who says that he left the field without congratulating Couglin must
have been either stoned, asleep, brain dead, or just did not watch the
game. The media and all the Pats-haters are just having fun bashing Belichick.
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