1950 to date Type Set ??!! And musings on Complete Type (1792-1964)
HighDesert
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Various folks are discussing the PCGS survey "results" especially as it relates to varieties and designators. How about this one...
We will add a very limited amount of combo sets, almost all of them type sets. One example will be the 1950 to date type set.
If their intent is to change the current 1959/1964/1965 to date type set over to 1950, I say fine. Just don't change it again please.
But if the intent is to add a new set, 1950 to date, then are we also going to see 1975 to date, 1940 to date or 1923 1/2 to date??
HD
We will add a very limited amount of combo sets, almost all of them type sets. One example will be the 1950 to date type set.
If their intent is to change the current 1959/1964/1965 to date type set over to 1950, I say fine. Just don't change it again please.
But if the intent is to add a new set, 1950 to date, then are we also going to see 1975 to date, 1940 to date or 1923 1/2 to date??
HD
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I think that they will revamp the existing sets. I e-mailed David Hall today, and pointed out that under the new rules, you cannot compete without using proof coins. Think about it, a 1976-S Silver Ike gets 71 points for 69DC while the best you can get is 68 points in MS, at 10 times the price to boot.
He replied that most likely, PCGS would offer the Type sets in Proof only, MS only, and mixed competition to keep things a little more fair. Based on that, I would bet that all of the sets will be tweaked when weighting arrives.
I also think that he was referring to the existing set as an example and just confused on the starting date. In a previous response, he mentioned a Short Set and referenced the existing Walker short set. I think that the only new Type set we will see would be a Basic Copper, Silver, Nickel set, patterned after the 12 coin Basic Gold Type set. The remaining changes will probably just be refining the exisiting sets.
Keith
The various starting dates could be really fun if each set contained completely different varieties and mint errors. It could require upto perhaps 300-400 coins some of which could be quite rare or unheard of( sorry about ending in a preposition).
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Since your private message is turned off, I thought I would give you a heads up on the complete type set. Take a look at The Built to Last set(down the list). This is a young fellow who spent several (not polite to be too specific) hundred thousand like pocket change with one dealer while I was standing next to him at FUN and at least an equal amount in the auction. If he sticks with the program he could have an impressive(as in higher than you,Swan and I) in the near future.
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The just added 1793 Wreath Cent in MS-66RB. Price guide only goes to MS-65. 1808 $2.50 piece in MS-63. Guide only goes to 62. 1835 Capped Bust $2.50 in MS-65. 1799 $10 in MS-65. Covered Ear $10 Liberty in MS-65. Price guide stops at 63. And the previously mentioned 1880 Stella in PR-65CA.
I would say this gentleman had a very active FUN show. His set description suggests he plans to take his time in building the set, but the coins that he acquired are definitely going to be cornerstones of a very impressive set in the future.
Keith
Yeah, but that's the "cheap" Stella not the expensive Coiled Hair one!
Bill,
I've a feeling our friend will slow down a bit. He'll probably discover that good coins in the types he's looking for will dry up. This set doesn't always respond to money. Patience counts for a lot here.
HD
You're right, but it certainly was a change of style from the earlier coins in the set. I'm reasonably sure that he also bought the half disme in AU from the auction. Time will tell.
I've decided to sell a number of my sets to free up funds for the type sets. They are defintely more fun.
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JSwan
I am eagerly awaiting what is going to occur with adding new Type sets, or weighting the existing ones. I have found so far that all of the available Type sets require lots of patience and resource planning and I am definitely having fun with it, even if it will take me a few more years to get them where I want them on my budget.
Keith
God I am glad I collect an unpopular series
Speaking of weighting, Swan I expect you to close in on me if not pass me up when the weighting comes to the complete type. Your early stuff (presumably the highly weighted stuff) is very nice.
If he takes 30 years and buys at that level, he's a shoe-in.
HD
Think of us poor collectors who are looking for a really nice example of that one in XF or lower. With only 28 examples graded, not a lot for anybody to choose from.
Just imagine, I only need 949 more points to get to the front page of this set. Maybe next year.
Keith
1792 Half Disme -- One of the ruder issues to find.
Keith
RELLA
who boasts of twenty years experience in his craft
while in fact he has had only one year of experience...
twenty times.
LOL !! Don't want these folks running around with CHEAP, COMMON DATE STELLAS!!
Tom
High has rarely let people peek at his sets. Something about super-secretive if you saw the grades, he'd have to kill you, or something like that.
Keith
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and link #2
Regards,
Don aka crazy fingers on eBay
Stellas,
DeadHeads and
Why not include the Birch Cent and the Wright quarter, too? I know. Patterns.
It wouldn't make any difference to me... I doubt I'll ever get the Half Disme, anyway.
The 1792 half disme is the only issue of that year that:
a) was minted in quantity (1,500 to 2,000)
b) appears to have been intended for circulation (according to a quote from Geo. Washington)
and c) was in fact circulated (as evidenced by the fact that most surviving examples are well worn)
Hence, many numismatists consider it to be the first circulating issue from the US government. I think that's why the folks at PCGS have included it in the set, and I agree with them.