Poll : Super Bowl MVP
wolfbear
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Seems like they always just give it to the QB of the winning team.
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Eli had about 40 yds that should have been called back (Toomer pushed off), and the amazing catch Tyree had was simply just that -- a lucky catch on a poorly thrwon ball.
Eli did look good on that drive however. I don't think anything phases that guy.
Team defense close second.
And I don't care for this blatantly anti Eli poll
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Grow a pair of what? Ovaries?
There was no standout. It happens. Why then just give the award out at random to someone who doesn't deserve it?
There was no standout last year either.
The Colts O-line along with Addai and Rhodes won the game, but they just ended up giving it to Peyton who had a sub-par day.
As long as they insist that the award go to one and only one player, it will continue to remain meaningless ...
"How about a little fire Scarecrow ?"
Tuck was all over the field and came up big quite a few times.
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If he had not escaped the sack, THE catch would have never happened.
Plus, his 1st TD Pass was one heck of a throw.
There's never been any glory in playing defense and never will. It's all about the points baby
<< <i>Eli, Period.
If he had not escaped the sack, THE catch would have never happened.
Plus, his 1st TD Pass was one heck of a throw.
There's never been any glory in playing defense and never will. It's all about the points baby
I agree with you....
<< <i>It has to be Eli- if only for what ranks as one of the greatest final drives in history >>
yeah, thats pretty much the bottom line. No drive, no win. No win, no great D mentioned. It is what it is ...... Tom Brady did his part with just over 2 minutes left. Then Eli took his team the distance .... what a great end. You can argue that the Pats scoring only 14 points and Brady being banged around like a ping pong ball was the difference. Sure .... but again, no drive, no great escape/catch, no win .... period. No matter how subjective it is, Eli certainly earned it ....so I won't vote. The QB choice tells a story that this game didn't tell. ....
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<< <i>Yes, definitely, someone such as Tuck or whoever on defense should have won the MVP for the game...and it's not really even close. >>
Well, I can respect the Eli haters .... and my Giants D was all over Brady the entire game until they got winded and Brady took the Pats the distance for the lead with 2 plus left. Then, Eli led one of the greatest IF NOT THE GREATEST last minute drive of any Super Bowl or NFL championship before the Super Bowl. So, yeah, it is close ...
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<< <i>Yes, definitely, someone such as Tuck or whoever on defense should have won the MVP for the game...and it's not really even close. >>
Well, I can respect the Eli haters .... and my Giants D was all over Brady the entire game until they got winded and Brady took the Pats the distance for the lead with 2 plus left. Then, Eli led one of the greatest IF NOT THE GREATEST last minute drive of any Super Bowl or NFL championship before the Super Bowl. So, yeah, it is close ... >>
Hey, I've never been an "Eli hater" so don't associate my post with that comment. I've stated a number of times that Eli needed time to develop as a QB as most NFL quarterbacks need a number of years playing before they succeed, and that Eli had the talent to turn into a good quarterback - which he has.
Eli had a good game, but the NY defense had a great game. Somebody on the NY defense should have won the game MVP - Case closed.
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The Giants D line was the story of the game. You should watch basketball where the score changes all the time if you don't see that. If Strahan is the leader of that group, then give it to him. If Tuck had the best game from that group, then go with him. But giving it to Eli because he didn't kill the team with INTs and scored the same as the average regular season team against this opponent makes no sense at all. It should just be the QB recognition award.
First (since we are listing our first point to make it look like there are more) I would be happy with any lineman getting it or no one would be fine too.
Stats - E. Manning (19-34, 255) 2td, 1int (I know that wasn't his fault) --- Those don't scream MVP to me. Again 17 POINTS...He MANAGED the game. He didn't have to go and win it by scoring 30 or something. Yes there was a clutch drive that he was the leader of, but the D line got them there and played WAY better as individuals and as a group than Eli had to.
<< <i><<I would be happy with any lineman getting it or no one would be fine too.>>
What does this even mean? >>
You stated that I would be fine if anyone from the D line won it. I was agreeing. I was also adding that it would be fine if it was not awarded at all. But to give it to Manning is to reduce it to a QB recognition award.
<< <i>If all you care about are stats, then you obviously don't understand football. >>
Hopefully we can watch a game together and you'll let me know when to cheer.
<< <i>But while Eli's stats might not "scream" MVP to you, none of these numbers "scream" MVP to me:
2 sacks, 5 tackles, 1 ast
1 sack, 2 tackles, 1 ast
0 sack, 3 tackles, 1 ast
1 sack, 2 tackles, 0 ast >>
You extrapolated Mannings stats to a 16 game season to make the point that it was a Hall of fame performance statistically. I simply disagreed.
Again, 17 points was the season average for the Pats D to give up. They managed just that. The D line allowed for a ton different blitz packages to be used against the guy everyone was scared to blitz. They did it by consistently beating a top tier o-line play after play. The penetration was insane. If you think Eli was the teams most valuable player yesterday, then go with it. It makes no sense to me.
Eli becoming good hurts my Eagles so definitely I would have liked to have seen him flop, but the fact is that the Eagles will have to contend with him for a number of years...and the Eagles will contend with him fine because Eli is a good-very good quarterback...but will never and I mean NEVER become a great quarterback.
The fact is to everyone who watched the game objectively and didn't have "Eli blinders" on...that Eli by no means had a "great" game. Basically he stayed out of the way, made a few nice plays and one "lucky", VERY lucky great play, and let the Giants defense win the game.
Eli was lucky as well as a number of his throws were ill advised and could have resulted in interceptions. Football as well as most sports comes down to a game of inches and the "inches" fell in Eli's favor on Sunday. It could have easily gone the other way and Eli could have had 3 or 4 pics in a Patriots rout.
I'm glad the Giants won - they'll be overconfident next season and my Eagles will again dominate the NFC East. And I predict the Patriots go into the tank, maybe with a barely making the playoffs type season and lose in the first round.
The stage is set nicely for a Philadelphia Eagles Super Bowl triumph this coming season!
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<< <i>Just for the record stevek, I want to state that I am neither a Giants nor an Eli fan. I am calling this as objectively as I can. I might be wrong and others may disagree but I called it prior to the announcement and obviously the voters felt the same way.
It's not that I don't think that the Giants defense, and the line especially, played a GREAT game. And I for one would not have argued with a Justin Tuck choice. However, when I consider the ONE single player that had the most positive impact on the game, I honestly believe it was Eli Manning. >>
Point understood. I respect the opinion such as yours and Softparade. Let's remember as well that professional sports is all about the money. The money comes first and everything else is basically second to the owners and everyone else involved in the sport including sportswriters, etc. A Super Bowl MVP award to an Eli Manning becomes much more "profitable" and marketable in various ways, sells more newspapers, etc., than a Super Bowl MVP award to a "Justin Tuck."
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The lowest number of points the Patriots had scored in any game all season was 20.
In other words, 17 lousy points wouldn't have won a single game against the Pats all year.
So obviously it wasn't the Giant's offense that made the difference, it was the Giant's defense.
I also believe that against any other defense in the league,
Tom Brady and the Pats would have probably marched down the field on their last possession and at least tied the score with a FG.
The Giants won the game with their defense plain and simple,
but for some reason Giant fans get really paranoid if everyone doesn't praise Eli.
He's adequate and last Sunday adequate was good enough for the win.
MVP? I don't think so, but we've probably beat this dead horse into the ground half-way to China by now ...
"How about a little fire Scarecrow ?"
<< <i> I also believe that against any other defense in the league,
Tom Brady and the Pats would have probably marched down the field on their last possession and at least tied the score with a FG.
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The Pats DID march down and score easily on what SHOULD have been their last posession had the NY Giants QB not gone 83 yards in just 2 minutes.
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Let me quote from the GREAT Forrest Gump- "Thats all I have to say about that"
<< <i>After digesting this for a few days and being able to think clearly and subjectivly, I too am thinking Manning deserves it, the pressure of needing to drive the length of the field for a TD- were not talking about a setting up for a game tying field goal here, a GAME WINNING TD is the only option, it rests on the QB's shoulder-period. the fact that he was able to escape that sack and being able to put the football within the grasps of one of his WRs pretty much sums it up, the guy got it done and won the game for them. Its deserving of Eli.
Let me quote from the GREAT Forrest Gump- "Thats all I have to say about that"
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