Half Point Poppage

Aaronman

I was eagerly waiting my first submission under the new half point grading. Now that I have it, I can't even comment on it. I only received 3 half point grades out of 99 cards. I don't know if that is any indication of anything since I don't have the cards in my hand to look at. I have to admit that I was expecting more not based on pure percentages but rather I thought there were several 8.5 candidates. By no means am I complaining about the grading. I am quite happy with the overall results.

Doug

LINE # CERT # CARD CARD CO. CARD # CARD NAME VARIETY GRADE
1 08269010 1962 POST CEREAL 149 HANK AARON HAND CUT 5
2 08269011 1965 O-PEE-CHEE 2 N.L. BATTING LEADERS 4
3 08269012 1964 PHILADELPHIA 56 DALLAS COWBOYS PLAY CARD 8
4 08269013 1964 PHILADELPHIA 119 JIM KATCAVAGE N/A 8
5 08269014 1964 PHILADELPHIA 129 TIM BROWN N/A 8
6 08269015 1964 PHILADELPHIA 137 JIM SCHRADER N/A 8
7 08269016 1964 PHILADELPHIA 145 JOE KRUPA N/A 9
8 08269017 1964 PHILADELPHIA 148 BUZZ NUTTER N/A 8
9 08269018 1964 PHILADELPHIA 155 KERMIT ALEXANDER N/A 8
10 08269019 1964 PHILADELPHIA 156 BERNIE CASEY N/A 9
11 08269020 1964 PHILADELPHIA 162 DON LISBON N/A 8
12 08269021 1964 PHILADELPHIA 169 GARLAND BOYETTE N/A 8.5
13 08269022 1964 PHILADELPHIA 187 BOB KHAYAT N/A 10
14 08269023 1964 PHILADELPHIA 188 RILEY MATTSON N/A 7
15 08269024 1964 PHILADELPHIA 194 JIM STEFFEN N/A 8
16 08269025 1967 PHILADELPHIA 75 LEE ROY CAFFEY N/A 8
17 08269026 1967 PHILADELPHIA 190 CHARLEY TAYLOR N/A 7
18 08269027 1961 FLEER 12 BOBBY MITCHELL N/A 8
19 08269028 1961 FLEER 67 LEO NOMELLINI N/A Not Holdered, Did not meet Minimum Size Requirements
20 08269029 1961 FLEER 84 DICK LANE N/A 8
21 08269030 1961 FLEER 97 BILL FORESTER N/A 8
22 08269031 1961 FLEER 111 BILL ANDERSON N/A 8
23 08269032 1961 FLEER 111 BILL ANDERSON N/A 8
24 08269033 1961 FLEER 161 ERNIE WRIGHT N/A 7
25 08269034 1961 FLEER 195 ALAN GOLDSTEIN N/A 8
26 08269035 1961 FLEER 201 JACK SPIKES N/A 8
27 08269036 1961 TOPPS 17 J.C. CAROLINE N/A 8
28 08269037 1961 TOPPS 24 BILLY HOWTON N/A 7
29 08269038 1961 TOPPS 27 TOM FRANKHAUSER N/A 7
30 08269039 1961 TOPPS 27 TOM FRANKHAUSER N/A 8
31 08269040 1961 TOPPS 36 JOE SCHMIDT N/A 7
32 08269041 1961 TOPPS 42 MAX McGEE N/A 7
33 08269042 1961 TOPPS 44 JIM RINGO N/A 8
34 08269043 1961 TOPPS 50 OLLIE MATSON N/A 7
35 08269044 1961 TOPPS 56 LOS ANGELES RAMS N/A Not Holdered, Re-Colored
36 08269045 1961 TOPPS 64 LEO NOMELLINI N/A 7
37 08269046 1961 TOPPS 72 MIKE McCORMACK N/A 8
38 08269047 1961 TOPPS 73 JIM RAY SMITH N/A 8
39 08269048 1961 TOPPS 99 PETE RETZLAFF N/A 8
40 08269049 1961 TOPPS 127 BILL ANDERSON N/A 8
41 08269050 1961 TOPPS 131 WASHINGTON REDSKINS N/A 8
42 08269051 1961 TOPPS 132 BROWNS' PLUM WINS NFL PASSING TITLE 8
43 08269052 1961 TOPPS 132 BROWNS' PLUM WINS NFL PASSING TITLE 7OC
44 08269053 1961 TOPPS 148 JACKY LEE N/A 8
45 08269054 1961 TOPPS 149 AL DOROW N/A 8
46 08269055 1961 TOPPS 164 TOM RYCHLEC N/A 8
47 08269056 1963 TOPPS 3 JIMMY ORR N/A 7
48 08269057 1964 TOPPS 1 TOM ADDISON N/A 8
49 08269058 1964 TOPPS 167 JACQUE MacKINNON N/A 8
50 08269059 1964 TOPPS 175 SAN DIEGO CHARGERS N/A 7
51 08269060 1961 TOPPS 10 DOUG MOHNS N/A 8
52 08269061 1960 PARKHURST 3 JOHNNY BOWER N/A 8.5
53 08269062 1960 PARKHURST 7 GERRY JAMES N/A 8
54 08269063 1960 PARKHURST 17 GEORGE ARMSTRONG N/A 9
55 08269064 1960 PARKHURST 27 BRIAN SMITH N/A 8
56 08269065 1960 PARKHURST 29 MARCEL PRONOVOST N/A 9
57 08269066 1960 PARKHURST 32 BARRY CULLEN N/A 9
58 08269067 1960 PARKHURST 36 ALEX DELVECCHIO N/A 9
59 08269068 1960 PARKHURST 39 ALBERT LANGLOIS N/A 9
60 08269069 1960 PARKHURST 43 BOB TURNER N/A 8
61 08269070 1960 PARKHURST 44 TOM JOHNSON N/A 9
62 08269071 1960 PARKHURST 46 BOOM BOOM GEOFFRION N/A 9
63 08269072 1960 PARKHURST 52 JEAN-GUY TALBOT N/A 8
64 08269073 1960 PARKHURST 59 BOOM BOOM GEOFFRION J.BELIVEAU/D.MARSHALL 8
65 08269074 1961 PARKHURST 1 TIM HORTON N/A 8
66 08269075 1961 PARKHURST 9 RED KELLY N/A 8
67 08269076 1961 PARKHURST 10 BOB NEVIN N/A 9
68 08269077 1961 PARKHURST 33 LEO LABINE N/A 6
69 08269078 1961 PARKHURST 35 BOOM BOOM GEOFFRION N/A 9
70 08269079 1961 PARKHURST 40 DON MARSHALL N/A 9
71 08269080 1961 PARKHURST 45 JEAN BELIVEAU N/A 9
72 08269081 1961 PARKHURST 48 JEAN-GUY TALBOT N/A 8
73 08269082 1961 PARKHURST 51 ANDRE PRONOVOST N/A 6
74 08269083 1962 PARKHURST 2 DICK DUFF N/A 9
75 08269084 1962 PARKHURST 24 CLAUDE LaFORGE N/A 10
76 08269085 1962 PARKHURST 28 HOWARD GLOVER N/A 9
77 08269086 1962 PARKHURST 29 MARC BOILEAU N/A 9
78 08269087 1962 PARKHURST 39 JEAN BELIVEAU N/A 9
79 08269088 1962 PARKHURST 42 DICKIE MOORE N/A 10
80 08269089 1962 PARKHURST 48 BOOM BOOM GEOFFRION N/A 8
81 08269090 1963 PARKHURST 5 JOHNNY BOWER N/A 8
82 08269091 1963 PARKHURST 11 BILLY HARRIS N/A 9
83 08269092 1963 PARKHURST 14 RON STEWART N/A 8
84 08269093 1963 PARKHURST 17 FRANK MAHOVLICH N/A 8
85 08269094 1963 PARKHURST 20 KING CLANCY N/A 8
86 08269095 1963 PARKHURST 22 JEAN-GUY TALBOT N/A 8
87 08269096 1963 PARKHURST 27 JACQUES LAPERRIERE N/A 9
88 08269097 1963 PARKHURST 28 JEAN GAUTHIER N/A 8
89 08269098 1963 PARKHURST 31 J.C. TREMBLAY N/A 8
90 08269099 1963 PARKHURST 34 TOE BLAKE N/A 8
91 08269100 1963 PARKHURST 37 MARC REAUME N/A 7
92 08269101 1963 PARKHURST 49 IAN CUSHENAN N/A 9
93 08269102 1963 PARKHURST 62 DON SIMMONS N/A 9
94 08269103 1963 PARKHURST 68 CARL BREWER N/A 8
95 08269104 1963 PARKHURST 70 BOB NEVIN N/A 8
96 08269105 1965 TOPPS 119 JOHN KENNEDY N/A 8
97 08269106 1965 TOPPS 122 BILL PLEIS N/A 8
98 08269107 1965 TOPPS 158 DICK SISLER N/A 7
99 08269108 1965 TOPPS 176 WILLIE McCOVEY N/A 7.5

perkdog

Wow, looks like they are starting off by being very selective of the .5 huh..

bobsbbcards

Wow!! You now own about 10% of the '62 Parkhurst PSA 10s.

RonBurgundy

When were these submitted?



Ron

BillsGridironGreats

Were these reviews or just raw grading?

Aaronman

They were received in early Dec. When I saw the announcement on the half point grading I contacted PSA to see if I could hold my oders as I had several in at PSA. They were able to hold most of my submission but two were too far down the line to hold. This was the first one to pop.

I'm not sure if I would say there are stingy yet. I do know that the 64 Philly and 61 Topps cards were very nice. I am a little surprised that there were no 8.5's or even 9's in the 61 Topps lot. I will reserve judgement until I have the cards back. Hopefully, my other submissions will pop soon so I have more cards to reference and can educate myself on what gets the .5 bump.

Doug

Aaronman

BGG,

They were all raw. I won't do any reviews until A) I have a good idea what deserves a .5 bump and there is a compelling reason to get a bunch of commons reviewed for .5 bumps.

Doug

RipublicaninMass

Just curious what a PSA 10 1962 parhurst woul dgo for? Have there been any sales...WOW

SDavid

Nice sub.

My take from their description was that 8.5's would be cards that "just missed" being 9's, but I guess time will tell. I would be disappointed, though, if they gave .5's to cards with obvious corner touches even if they're perfectly centered. That would be pointless since centering is the one factor that can be clearly identified in a scan.

Aaronman

For those people that were worried that either .5 grades would be handed out like candy or that the .5 grade would be a safety net for the next highest grade (i.e. many 9's would be conservatively graded as 8.5's) it certainly does not appear to be the case. I received 21 PSA 9's and only 2 PSA 8.5's. Not too many 8.5's considering I thought there would be several candidates.

Doug

jradke4

are you looking at selling the packer cards??

i hope this means that mine pops soon. its been logged in and sitting there since 12/5. But will I get any 0.5 pops. who knows??!!! mine are all modern cards so i dont know if that will have any bearing on the 0.5 or not.

nam812

I don't think anyone will ever know for sure if an 8.5 is an over graded 8 or an under graded 9.

Edited to add: Don't forget that looking for that extra .5, or taking away a .5 for that matter, is new to the graders too. They are used to looking at a card with a single digit in mind.

Aaronman

I don't think it works that way. They look for the single digit grade first and then assign a potential .5

mikeschmidt

Doug:

I've heard an increasing number of stories whereby there are very, very few .5s given out by PSA. Obviously you have an eye for quality -- as your grades attest. I must admit, that this grade point paradigm perplexes me somewhat.

It seems as if 5% or fewer cards across the boards are receiving any bumps and/or half-grades...so PSA is obviously not using a 19-point scale...it is a 10 point scale, with the half-point grades as exceptions. But I have yet to see a clear definition (not in grading standards...but in actual card quality) of that which will knock a card from a 9 to an 8, but will exhibit enough strength to have the 8 be an 8.5. Clearly centering helps...but it is much more than that.

Marc

MorrellMan

Marc
You're points are well taken (aside from the fact that there are 18 grades, not 19 )
Just guessing, and knowing that PSA never really felt they needed any more than 10 grades - I would suspect that half grades will be handed out very judiciously. I agree that those of us who have been able to determine with pretty good accuracy what a grade would be on a 10 point scale still have very little idea what would qualify for the half point. Sliders down a half or sterling examples only half way to their proper grade?

RonBurgundy

If half point grades are going to be handed out this infrequently, it begs the question whether it is worth sending any cards in for reviews. If the batting average is going to be less than 10% - even for those who carefully select their reviews - it is flat out not worth it.




Ron

1954

I just got my grades done two days ago and out of 78 cards, I received one half grade. I don't know how the half grades are determined either. Here is my invoice if anyone wants to post it.

4661487 75056

RonBurgundy

1 03237494 1955 TOPPS 17 BOBBY HOFMAN N/A 7
2 03237495 1955 TOPPS 18 RUSS KEMMERER N/A 6
3 03237496 1955 TOPPS 26 DICK GROAT N/A 7.5
4 03237497 1955 TOPPS 27 BILLY GARDNER N/A 8
4 03237498 1955 TOPPS 27 BILLY GARDNER N/A 7
5 03237499 1955 TOPPS 37 JOE CUNNINGHAM N/A 7
5 03237500 1955 TOPPS 42 WINDY McCALL N/A 8
6 03237501 1955 TOPPS 42 WINDY McCALL N/A 8
7 03237502 1955 TOPPS 45 HANK SAUER N/A 7
8 03237503 1955 TOPPS 48 BOB KENNEDY N/A 8
9 03237504 1955 TOPPS 50 JACKIE ROBINSON N/A 5
10 03237505 1955 TOPPS 55 RIP REPULSKI N/A 6
11 03237506 1955 TOPPS 56 RAY JABLONSKI N/A 7
12 03237507 1955 TOPPS 60 DEAN STONE N/A 7
12 03237508 1955 TOPPS 60 DEAN STONE N/A 6
13 03237509 1955 TOPPS 61 SPOOK JACOBS N/A 7
14 03237510 1955 TOPPS 62 THORNTON KIPPER N/A 8
15 03237511 1955 TOPPS 69 ED BAILEY N/A 8
15 03237512 1955 TOPPS 69 ED BAILEY N/A 7
16 03237513 1955 TOPPS 71 RUBEN GOMEZ N/A 8
17 03237514 1955 TOPPS 74 BOB BORKOWSKI N/A 6
17 03237515 1955 TOPPS 74 BOB BORKOWSKI N/A 6
18 03237516 1955 TOPPS 75 SANDY AMOROS N/A 6
19 03237517 1955 TOPPS 76 HOWIE POLLET N/A 5
20 03237518 1955 TOPPS 88 BOB SKINNER N/A 6
20 03237519 1955 TOPPS 88 BOB SKINNER N/A 7
21 03237520 1955 TOPPS 90 KARL SPOONER N/A 7
22 03237521 1955 TOPPS 91 MILT BOLLING N/A 7
23 03237522 1955 TOPPS 92 DON ZIMMER N/A 6
24 03237523 1955 TOPPS 93 STEVE BILKO N/A 7
25 03237524 1955 TOPPS 95 PRESTON WARD N/A 7
26 03237525 1955 TOPPS 97 CARLOS PAULA N/A 6
27 03237526 1955 TOPPS 98 JOHNNY RIDDLE N/A 7
27 03237527 1955 TOPPS 98 JOHNNY RIDDLE N/A 7
28 03237528 1955 TOPPS 100 MONTE IRVIN N/A 6
29 03237529 1955 TOPPS 104 JACK HARSHMAN N/A 7
30 03237530 1955 TOPPS 105 CHUCK DIERING N/A 6
31 03237531 1955 TOPPS 107 CURT ROBERTS N/A 6
32 03237532 1955 TOPPS 110 GUS ZERNIAL N/A 7
33 03237533 1955 TOPPS 111 BOB MILLIKEN N/A 6
33 03237534 1955 TOPPS 111 BOB MILLIKEN N/A 7
33 03237535 1955 TOPPS 111 BOB MILLIKEN N/A 6
34 03237536 1955 TOPPS 113 HARRY BRECHEEN N/A 7
35 03237537 1955 TOPPS 114 LOU ORTIZ N/A 7
35 03237538 1955 TOPPS 114 LOU ORTIZ N/A 7
35 03237539 1955 TOPPS 114 LOU ORTIZ N/A 6
36 03237540 1955 TOPPS 115 ELLIS KINDER N/A 7
37 03237541 1955 TOPPS 116 TOM HURD N/A 7
38 03237542 1955 TOPPS 117 MEL ROACH N/A 8
39 03237543 1955 TOPPS 119 BOB LENNON N/A 5
40 03237544 1955 TOPPS 121 BILL RENNA N/A 5
41 03237545 1955 TOPPS 126 DICK HALL N/A 4
42 03237546 1955 TOPPS 129 ELVIN TAPPE N/A 7
43 03237547 1955 TOPPS 130 MAYO SMITH N/A 6
44 03237548 1955 TOPPS 138 RAY HERBERT N/A 7
45 03237549 1955 TOPPS 139 STEVE KRALY N/A 6
46 03237550 1955 TOPPS 148 HAL BROWN N/A 5
47 03237551 1955 TOPPS 151 RED KRESS N/A 6
48 03237552 1955 TOPPS 152 HARRY AGGANIS N/A 4
49 03237553 1955 TOPPS 162 JOE COLEMAN N/A 6
50 03237554 1955 TOPPS 166 HANK BAUER N/A 6
51 03237555 1955 TOPPS 170 JIM PEARCE N/A 5
52 03237556 1955 TOPPS 172 FRANK BAUMHOLTZ N/A 8
53 03237557 1955 TOPPS 182 HUMBERTO ROBINSON N/A 6
54 03237558 1955 TOPPS 183 TONY JACOBS N/A 5
55 03237559 1955 TOPPS 195 ED ROEBUCK N/A 6
56 03237560 1955 TOPPS 196 GALE WADE N/A 6
57 03237561 1955 TOPPS 197 AL SMITH N/A 5
58 03237562 1983 TOPPS 482 TONY GWYNN N/A 8
59 03237563 1968 TOPPS 45 TOM SEAVER ALL-STAR ROOKIE 6
60 03237564 1967 TOPPS 468 RALPH HOUK N/A 7
61 03237565 1990 LEAF 300 FRANK THOMAS N/A 9
62 03237566 1992 ULTRA ALL-ROOKIES 7 SHAQUILLE O'NEAL N/A 9
63 03237567 1987 FLEER 2 MICHAEL JORDAN N/A 7
63 03237568 1987 FLEER 2 MICHAEL JORDAN N/A 7
64 03237569 1992 ULTRA 4 SHAQUILLE O'NEAL N/A 8
65 03237570 1980 TOPPS SCORING LEADER BIRD,ERVING,JOHNSON 7
66 03237571 1985 O-PEE-CHEE 29 STEVE YZERMAN N/A 8

Date Received: 01/10/2008
Date of Grades Posted: 02/05/2008
Date Shipped: 02/05/2008

theBobs

Why have .5 grades if they aren't to be used?

Aaronman

With the .5 grades I don't believe a card will get knocked from a 9 to an 8 (or 8.5). The card either meets the same MINT criteria as the past or it doesn't which will result in a grade less than 9. I'm not sure how concrete a definition you could come up with that would determine what makes an x.5 versus a straight x. My assumption is that is demonstrates extremely strong attributes for the x grade but does not deserve the x + 1 grade. Perhaps a few additional guidelines might help but I don't think they would change my approach. I would much rather have the .5 grade be the exception rather than the norm as I think that can really help the value of the cards with the .5 grades. Trying to determine a percentage of .5 grades at this time is pointless while everyone is getting used to the new system (collectors, dealers and graders). As for me, I am not even considering sending in waves of reviews until there is a compelling reason to do so. Without any pricing history I don't know which cards will benefit from a .5 increase (outside of increased registry points). I have about 1,000 cards in at PSA right now. Some of them will come back with .5 grades. That will begin my education process on what cards are deserving of .5 grades. The invoice I posted was not sent in to test the new .5 grading system. They were raw cards that I remember some of the groups being quite strong. I received several 9's, three holy grails and very few .5 grades. That would lead me to believe that 9's are not going to 8.5's and you really need a sharp card to get an 8.5. That's using a 100 card sample. When I get to 1,000 cards then I may be able offer more valuable insight. My path to collecting is slow and steady. The .5 grading will only benefit me in the long run.

Doug

WinPitcher

Since PSA made such a big deal regarding resubs it may be there that we may see a higher pct of .5 grades. With that said I have stated since day 1 I think less then 15% will get such bumps.

As for the raw subs that we have seen thus far it appears that the .5 grade is hovering around the 5% level.

I also think we will see such grades with cards where the spread between grades is substantial.

Of course all the above is simply my opinion.

Steve

JrMacdaddy

Save your cash and don't re-submit.

WinPitcher

If I had cards that looked strong for the grade and had a substantial spread with Price between grades I'd send those cards in without blinking an eye.

Sadly I don't think I have such cards (not saying i do not have strong for the grade cards) i simply don't have cards that i feel have a substanial enough spread with price for in between grades to justify me sending any in.


I will continue though, to send in raw examples, and going forward i see the .5 grading system as a more presice way of grading my cards.


Steve

packCollector

I received 1 .5 grade out of 50 on a raw submission

Rangerman

Packcollector---------- that's revealing. How many 8's and below full grades did you end with ? I'm watching this closely as all of you are to see what happens . Will we see 8.5's more often eventually , especially in modern cards. The 2007 Topps are tough to find 10's much less really good 9's because of the black color -- Many of the cards that I see with these are strong 8"s-------- but will they grade 8.5 immediately if they deserve it , or will they end up at 8 instead?

I don't see routine .5's coming out the first time through------ sooooooooooo------- will I bump moderns just for a slight nudge in the registry sets> Not likely.

jradke4

so are you guys submitting these under the bulk submissions??