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SeatedCoinSeatedCoin Posts: 1,040
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Finally a Steinbrenner listened to Brian Cashman and the Yankees decided to keep their young studs. I think that the Mets overpaid for Santana. Wouldn't that be something if Santana broke down because he turned out to be one of the Steroid Boys? Santana's stats went down hill last year. Also, can he handle the intense pressure in New York under the media microscope? Meanwhile Phil Hughes came within 2 outs before getting injured from pitching a Perfect Game last season in only his 2nd game. He also pitched very well against the Indians during the playoffs. Joba (sans bugs) and Ian Kennedy were lights out. I think the Yankees are taking a page from their football counterparts by finally going with some youth and saving a boatload of money along the way.
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  • DeutscherGeistDeutscherGeist Posts: 2,990 ✭✭✭✭
    I have been saying this for some time now that the Yanks should stick to their young guns now. The free agent market has not been good as of late anyway. They have some good young arms and their veterans are good too. The young arms can fill in the gaps of the Mussina, Wang, Pettite rotation.

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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 31,022 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ditto from a Red Sox fan. Although it would have been nice adding Santana to the rotation, keeping our own stable of young guns is a good thing!
  • megatronmegatron Posts: 955
    $20+ million per year for a pitcher is risky. What surprised me is that the Mets entered into such a contract with one of the most fragile pitchers already on staff - Pedro. Pedro was magnificent, but you can be assured of an annual injury.

    The Mets paid way too much, but time will tell. By the way, unlike Alex Rodriguez's contract, contracts of this nature for pitchers cannot be insured (so I heard on sports radio).

    Even with all this talent, the Mets will find a way to fail.
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  • yankeeno7yankeeno7 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭
    When you think of the money being sunk into a pitcher for 6 years, the Alex Rodriguez contract doesnt look so bad.
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 31,022 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Im not sure why Santana is being looked at as a "Risky" signing? The guy has been a dominant pitcher- the best in the game for some time now, he is going to have a better lineup behind him in the NL and will have a better chance of exeeding his #'s there.
  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,500 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I too think the NYY did the right thing by keeping their good prospects.
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  • yankeeno7yankeeno7 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Im not sure why Santana is being looked at as a "Risky" signing? The guy has been a dominant pitcher- the best in the game for some time now, he is going to have a better lineup behind him in the NL and will have a better chance of exeeding his #'s there. >>



    Paul
    I think because pitchers are overall risky to sign especially to a 6 year contract. Even shorter contracts have proven what can happen. A few examples are Pedro Martinez Mets, Carl Pavano Yanks, Kevin Brown Yanks are of course the top 3 I think of. We know there are a ton more examples out there.

    Its very rare to have the durability of guys like Greg Maddux.

    Mets will be lucky if Santana is an exception. I hope it works out for them.
  • SeatedCoinSeatedCoin Posts: 1,040
    <<Mets will be lucky if Santana is an exception. I hope it works out for them>>

    I don't. Then I can get on my brother's case because he is always getting on my case about the Yankees' overspending. image
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    "The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
  • 80sToyguy80sToyguy Posts: 383
    5 years from now this will go down as one of the biggest blunders in Yankees history.
    Santana is the real deal, and to only really have to give up Hughes to get him (Cabrerra doesn't count) is a mistake.
    This reminds me of the reversal of fortune of the New York Islanders (when they won 4 Cups in a row), to when the Rangers took over as the MUCH better team. It just happened.
    Jay
  • yankeeno7yankeeno7 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭
    Ive never heard of any team not being able to pull off a trade as a "blunder" and this will not be any exception. People will forget the Santana race even existed by the second season.
  • 80sToyguy80sToyguy Posts: 383
    Not if the Yankee pitching staff gets knocked around and it ends up being the detriment to them not winning.
    Jay
  • SeatedCoinSeatedCoin Posts: 1,040
    << 5 years from now this will go down as one of the biggest blunders in Yankees history.>>

    Go crawl back under your rock.
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    "The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
  • 80sToyguy80sToyguy Posts: 383
    I love going to an "opinion" board where if you state your opinion you're crapped on.
    Take it for what it is. You think the Yankees will be better off with Hughes, I think that's a joke and the Mets are now the better NY team. Again, this is just my opinion. Santana has been THE BEST pitcher in baseball for about 5 seasons. You don't get chances like this very often, the Yankees made a very poor decision in my "opinion."
    Now why don't you go back under your rock (or in your case cardboard box down in the Bronx).
    Jay
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 31,022 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I love going to an "opinion" board where if you state your opinion you're crapped on.
    Take it for what it is. You think the Yankees will be better off with Hughes, I think that's a joke and the Mets are now the better NY team. Again, this is just my opinion. Santana has been THE BEST pitcher in baseball for about 5 seasons. You don't get chances like this very often, the Yankees made a very poor decision in my "opinion."
    Now why don't you go back under your rock (or in your case cardboard box down in the Bronx).
    Jay >>




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  • bxbbxb Posts: 805 ✭✭
    I am relieved he is going to the NL.

    Hopefully we won't see him until the 2008 WS.

    I would like to see the Yanks and Red Sox develop their young stars, not trade them away.

    The balance of power has been maintained in the AL east.
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  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>5 years from now this will go down as one of the biggest blunders in Yankees history.
    Santana is the real deal, and to only really have to give up Hughes to get him (Cabrerra doesn't count) is a mistake.
    This reminds me of the reversal of fortune of the New York Islanders (when they won 4 Cups in a row), to when the Rangers took over as the MUCH better team. It just happened.
    Jay >>



    I would like somebody to point me to some proof that Hughes and Cabrera ALONE would have done the deal. Ahhhh ... no. Lets get this right fellas before making ill advised "opinons" about all time blunders. Ian Kennedy would HAVE to been part of that deal too and if the Yankees did not want to give up Hughes Minnesota came in at the last minute and asked for Kennedy and Wang to go along with Cabrera.

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  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Not if the Yankee pitching staff gets knocked around and it ends up being the detriment to them not winning.
    Jay >>



    Oh, and there is NO ROOM for "ifs" in sports. If, if, if, if my a$$ was made of gold I would mine it. IF you are going to use ifs like the above example, why not just say IF Santana's arm falls off in Spring training this was a all time blunder for the Mets?

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  • 80sToyguy80sToyguy Posts: 383
    Softparade, your love for the Yankees completely clouds your judgement as it has for years on this board.
    I don't even want to argue with you, the proof will be in what happens this season.
    I said it here first, Mets not only win the East, they lead baseball in wins and win the WS primarily on the strength of Santana's amazing arm.
    Jay
  • 80sToyguy80sToyguy Posts: 383
    Hey, you just edited those posts, please feel free to post the originals, it's just sports chat and I can take it (and what is the difference between a baseball and a hockey puck--I thought they were one in the same?)!
    Jay
  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Good, don't argue with me. I don't care. Your ignorance of the trade talks between the Yankees and Twins led you to make the dopey comment about all time blunders when you did not have the dynamics of the trade correct. Also, spare me your drivel about my "love" for the Yankees. God forbid an actual Yankee fan who knows wtf is going on lets you know about it. Booooo hooooo

    The Mets made a great move for them. They gave up kids nowhere near the talent level of a Phil Hughes. It was a trade they had to make. Good luck to them ...

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  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Jay,

    yeah, I thought better of that one. A tad too strong ...... March must be near image My post above makes up for the deletion ....

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  • 80sToyguy80sToyguy Posts: 383
    We're going to have alot more to argue about this year Softy, I won't take it personally.
    My "opinion" is still this--doesn't matter how many of the Yank pitchers had to be traded (because Wang is a #3 on any "good" staff), Sandy Koufax-type arms don't grow on trees. I have always believed if you get the best player you win the trade, regardless of how many go the other way.
    Jay
  • yankeeno7yankeeno7 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭
    Wow, Wang is a 3 on any "good" staff? Is that what happens when a pitcher finishes within the top 5 in CY Young voting for 2 years in a row? I must live in a fantasy baseball world.
  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Its the playoff performance of Wang that has most of these guys who don't watch him pitch all year tag with that "3" starter status. Thats fine .... there have been so many very good pitchers struggle in a few playoff starts. It is because Wang is a Yankee and Yankees are scrutinized in a different league then all other teams. That is the bottom line here.

    Also,. I don't think anybody is debating the merits of the Mets for doing this trade. Is it not amazing that the Yankees have been vilified FOR YEARS for trading away the farm? Yet the Yanks are now holding on to these young guys and its still the same old song.

    If that was the New York Yankees who COLLAPSED in epic style this year we would never ever ever hear the end of it. But the Mets? Its forgotten, swept under the rug, and you don't hear a whipser about it just 4 months after. The same would go for any other team ..... except the New York Yankees. EVERYBODY .... and I mean EVERYBODY whether you are a Yankee fan or Yankee hater holds the Yankees to a higher standard. And that is just the way it is image

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  • 80sToyguy80sToyguy Posts: 383
    That's what happens when you spend the most Softy, you are expected to win.
    And I'm not giving the Mets a free pass, my buddy is the biggest Mets fan around and I carved him for months after they blew it. It was huge and will go down as one of the biggest collapses in history but the original post here was how happy a guy was to keep young, unproven arms over potentially the best pitcher of the decade. I made a post that it was a mistake and I stand by it.

    Now as for Wang, wow, where to go here? First off Yankeeno, Wang has finished in the top 5 Cy voting once, in 2006 where Johan Santana won it UNANIMOUSLY--he got ALL the first place votes. When that happens, second place matters little (and coincidentally, Wang had 3 more points than Halladay who was snubbed because he only won 16 which is far more indicative to your team than your own performance, Halladay's numbers were better across the board otherwise).
    I have to go house hunting today, but I'll be back on late tonight where hopefully we can continue the Wang chat. Maybe other non-Yankee fans can join in about Wang, I'd love to hear other's opinions over where this guy should be as far as staff ace goes. In my mind, if the Yankees are putting Wang in the 1 hole this year, you guys have little chance.
    Jay
  • sayheykid54sayheykid54 Posts: 779 ✭✭
    As a Detroit Tiger fan I'm lad to see him go to the National League. He always seemed to pitch the Tigers very well and has absolutely NASTY stuff. An expensive but great pick-up for the Mets..
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