Need help with Vietnam coins

1960NYGiants

Came across a collection of Vietnam/Annam/French Indo-China dating from 1788-1964. There are two pieces that are identified on the holder but I cannot find in Krause and one piece that is in Krause but no values given.

Left to right
1. Quang Trung 1788-92 cast copper 20 VAN listed as C#205, 35mm. Values?
2. Ham Nghi 1884-85 cast copper, 35mm. Not listed in Krause 2005. Cat# and values?
3. Khai Dinh 1916-25 cast copper, 35mm. Not listed in Krause 2005. Cat# and values?

All are uniface.

And in general how do Krause values compare to the market for Vietnam?

DCH

#2 is supposed to be KM#604, but I'm almost positive it's fake. Calligraphy isn't very close to Krause example or the piece pictured in Barker. Krause has this piece at $35 in Good

1960NYGiants

DCH - thanks, I saw that but this piece is too big to be a PHAN (22-25mm) at 35 mm which is 20 VAN size.

DCH

Thanks for pointing out the size, I missed that

I still believe all 3 are fake/fantasy pieces based on calligraphy style.

Van denominations are not listed for these rulers in Barker, I need to read more to find out why.

DCH

After more searching, all are probably real charms rather than fantasy coins......I need more books

Charm
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1960NYGiants

Thank you DCH