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1990 Donruss Baseball Blue/White Test Issue
tunahead08
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Does anyone know much about this set? Like qty available of each player... and players available? This is the weird test issue that features a blue border instead of the normal red border, and the back of the card features another player on non glossy stock with a white border.
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I've seen a few other commons on eBay from time to time (there's one auction on the bay right now) but haven't seen much in way of stars in a long time. I've also seen a Dave Justice in both versions, where he is on the blue side, and then where he's on the white side. I forget the other player with him, but I'm pretty sure it was a common.
The pictures used are also from the regular Donruss set and the the Best series.
For comparison, here's the Ripken from the AL Best Set... front
These are taken with my camera.
Info is from the 2005 (last one I bought) Standard Catalog Of Baseball Cards. Don't know if anything else has been added to it.
Don't know if that is any help or not.
Jeff
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<< <i>Hey thanks Barf, are there anymore players listed than what the scan shows? >>
That's all my book shows but it is a few years old so could be more by now.
And your welcome.
Jeff
Miscut Museum
My Mess
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Only 'combo pair' I have is the c-list/Leach.
Never seen a complete c-list for these.
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- 90% of Blue/White cards are available as flipped pairs (i.e., if the blue/white pair is 544 Armstrong/672 Schiraldi, there will be a blue/white pair of 672 Schiraldi/544 Armstrong).
- For almost all of the flipped-pair cards, if you add up the card number for the blue player and the card number of the white player, you will get a number between 1210 and 1222. For example, 544 Armstrong + 672 Schiraldi = 1216. This range is true for 116 out of 142 cards that I've verified.
- I've run into two cards (so far) with the same player on the blue side as on the white side (608 Wilkerson and 609 Felder).
- So far there are no Blue/White cards that match an Aqueous card. That wouldn't be so odd if all of the Blue/White numbers were higher than 283, but they aren't. I've run into four Diamond King cards in the blue/white set (7 DeShaies DK, 21 Herr DK, 26 Whitson DK, and 27 DK Checklist). All four of these cards have eluded me in the Aqueous set and now I know why. I also have three Rated Rookie cards in the blue/white set (44 Combs RR, 46 Mann RR, and 47 Machado RR). None of those three has been discovered in the Aqueous set either.
- All of the cards that are in the Blue/White set are either Diamond Kings (last few in the checklist), Rated Rookies (last few in the checklist), an MVP card (last few--I have BC-22 Sax, BC-25 Hayes), or have a card number higher than 520 (521 is Hal Jeffcoat) with the following two exceptions: card #500 (a checklist) is in the blue/white set and so is card #321 Greg Swindell. I have a Greg Swindell/Don August card and a Don August/Greg Swindell card. Makes me think that Greg Swindell's card number used to be greater than 520 and renumbered sometime after the blue/white cards were printed.
- The cards whose totals don't add up to a number between 1210 and 1222 always include an MVP card (BC-xx), a Diamond King card, a Rated Rookie card, Greg Swindell, or a card number higher than 702 (709 McWilliams/631 Frohwirth for example).
- A few players have more than one flip variation: 591 Pagnozzi has 712 Boggs AS and 625 Valenzuela, 630 Velarde has 702 Johnson and 584 Mazzilli, 631 Frohwirth has 585 Pico and 709 McWilliams. All of these multiple variations has one card with the total of the card numbers in the 1210-1222 range and one in the 1300s.
Star (and semi-star) players that are in the blue/white set (some unconfirmed but all possible):
551 Dave Winfield
577 Mark Grace
578 Larry Walker
588 Carl Yastrzemski Puzzle Card
639 Jack Morris
643 Mike Schmidt
650 Bo Jackson
659 Nolan Ryan 5000 Ks
665 Nolan Ryan King of Kings
676 Cal Ripken AS
678 Goose Gossage
683 Kirby Puckett AS
689 Bernie Williams
692 Ryne Sandberg AS
695 Eric Davis AS
697 Mark McGwire AS
705 Tony Gwynn AS
707 Will Clark AS
710 Ozzie Smith AS
712 Wade Boggs AS
Here's the list of cards that I either own or am guessing exist because there should be a flipped-pair for it:
691 Allred/528 Reuss
525 Armas/688 Lombardozzi
544 Armstrong/672 Schiraldi
617 August/310 Swindell
660 Baines AS/555 Costello
589 Bass/623 Musselmann
680 Bathe/540 Nelson
556 Black/661 Pettis
712 Boggs AS/591 Pagnozzi
533 Brumley/685 Martinez
646 Cabrera/564 Jose
545 Cadaret/673 Sierra AS
565 Cangelosi/647 Sanderson
604 Carman/616 Hatcher
634 Carpenter/582 Harris
592 Castillo/626 Sorrento
593 Clark/627 Hill
44 Combs RR /21 Herr DK
538 Cora/678 Gossage
555 Costello/660 Baines AS
644 Cotto/574 McGaffigan
561 Darwin/654 Johnson AS
695 Davis AS/523 Nezelek
536 DeLeon/676 Ripken AS
557 Dempsey/662 Zavaras
7 DeShaies DK/612 Thurmond
684 Duncan/532 Hammaker
642 Dyer/572 Fernandez
713 Eave/607 Mulliniks
609 Felder/609 Felder
572 Fernandez/642 Dyer
687 Filer/524 Schmidt
694 Ford/522 Harkey
587 Fraser/BC-25 Hayes
631 Frohwirth/585 Pico
541 Gardner/669 Stottlemyre
678 Gossage/538 Cora
605 Gott/708 Santiago AS
655 Gozzo/562 Luecken
576 Greene/637 Steinbach AS
674 Guerrero AS/546 Nichols
622 Guthrie/599 Schu
690 Hale/527 Reed
590 Hall/621 Ward
532 Hammaker/684 Duncan
522 Harkey/694 Ford
596 Harnisch/619 Hillegas
582 Harris/634 Carpenter
616 Hatcher/604 Carmen
548 Hayes/664 Pena
BC-25 Hayes/587 Fraser
658 Heaton/553 Robinson
21 Herr DK/44 Combs
539 Hetzel/679 Mielke
627 Hill/593 Clark
619 Hillegas/596 Harnisch
666 Horton/549 Thon
693 Huson/521 Jeffcoat
650 Jackson AS/569 Traber
641 Jackson/571 Nixon
568 Javier/649 Searage
521 Jeffcoat/693 Huson
702 Johnson/630 Velarde
654 Johnson AS/561 Darwin
570 Johnson/640 Navarro
686 Jones/534 Leach
564 Jose/646 Cabrera
602 Kennedy/614 Reed
601 Kingery/611 Maldonado
652 LaCoss/559 Show
628 Lancaster/594 Schatzeder
629 Law/27 DK Checklist
534 Leach/686 Jones
613 Leach/500 Checklist
534 Leach/686 Jones
670 Leary/542 Portugal
624 Lemke/590 Moses
688 Lombardozzi/525 Armas
562 Luecken/655 Gozzo
526 Lyons/689 Williams
47 Machado RR/580 Witt
611 Maldonado/601 Kingery
531 Martinez/682 Hernandez
685 Martinez/533 Brumley
584 Mazzilli/630 Velarde
574 McGaffiigan/644 Cotto
709 McWilliams/631 Frohwirth
648 Meyer/567 Schroeder
679 Mielke/539 Hetzel
715 Mitchell/588 Yaz Puzzle
590 Moses/624 Lemke
623 Musselmann/589 Bass
640 Navarro/570 Johnson
540 Nelson/680 Bathe
523 Nezelek/695 Davis AS
546 Nichols/674 Guerrero AS
571 Nixon/641 Jackson
711 Olerud/597 Redus
586 Oliver/26 Whitson DK
591 Pagnozzi/625 Valenzuela
664 Pena/548 Hayes
661 Pettis/556 Black
542 Portugal/670 Leary
537 Rawley/677 Walling
614 Reed/602 Kennedy
527 Reed/690 Hale
528 Reuss/691 Allred
676 Ripken AS/536 DeLeon
553 Robinson/658 Heaton
595 Quinones/618 Teufel
647 Sanderson/565 Cangelosi
708 Santiago AS/605 Gott
BC-22 Sax/683 Puckett AS
594 Schatzeder/628 Lancaster
672 Schiraldi/544 Armstrong
524 Schmidt/687 Filer
567 Schroeder/648 Meyer
599 Schu/622 Guthrie
649 Searage/568 Javier
603 Sharperson/703 Stewart AS
559 Show/652 LaCoss
673 Sierra AS/545 Cadaret
626 Sorrento/592 Castillo
637 Steinbach AS/576 Greene
669 Stottlemyre/541 Gardner
566 Swift/BC-22 Sax
310 Swindell/617 August
618 Teufel/595 Quinones
549 Thon/666 Horton
612 Thurmond/7 DeShaies DK
569 Traber/650 Jackson AS
630 Velarde/584 Mazzilli
677 Walling/537 Rawley
621 Ward/590 Hall
608 Wilkerson/608 Wilkerson
689 Williams/526 Lyons
580 Witt/47 Machado RR
588 Yaz Puzzle/715 Mitchell
662 Zavaras/557 Dempsey
27 DK Checklist/629 Law
500 Checklist/613 Leach
700 Checklist/46 Mann RR
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<< <i>Just learned- SGC does not assign grades to the Blue/White Test cards. They will assign them the AUTH label, like they do the Aqueous. >>
Hmm that's too bad, I wonder if BGS will grade them? They seem to have been grading the Aqueous the longest...
<< <i>I tried to email them 3x about 2 weeks ago and every email was kicked back. SGC told me 'Send them in and we'll see" So I rolled the dice with them. I'll contact BGS from home and post the results. >>
Can you post a scan of the Blue/White test in the SGC holder? I bet they still look nice, even without a grade
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Wow. One of my pics if really bad.
I agree they look nice. Glad the Blue is on the front.
Yeah, I dont know why SGC used to grade Aqueous then quit and cannot grade Blue/White. They can tell if their real but cannot determine the condition? "Yeah, it's real but this test card is not compatable with my J-Ruler". ? I dont get it. We need that Southerncards guy here.
Maybe if PSA gets more info on these, they will assign grades as they do the Aqueous.
Although there are no known (at least by me) fake Blue/White and these would be alot harder to forge vs. a Aqueous. IMO
<< <i>I went through the blue/white cards I own today (I'm up to 103 different) and put together the following shinola (1989FleerBillRipkenCollector has already been subjected to all of this minutia through PMs):
...snip... >>
Here is my "flipped pair" for my Oil Can Boyd collection. I picked up the White Boyd a couple of years ago and just in the last couple of weeks found the Blue Boyd. FWIW, just to confirm your findings, Oil Can is not in the Aqueous.