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rpcoletranerpcoletrane Posts: 718 ✭✭
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Trying to decide whether or not to join the collector's club and send some stuff in to grade. Here are a couple of my favorites that need to be slabbed, tell me what you think they would grade. Thanks a bunch!

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  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭
    Aaron trimmed (sorry, bottom right hand corner)

    Kaline PSA 5.5

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    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • vintagetoppsguyvintagetoppsguy Posts: 871
    I agree with Barry on the Kaline, but I think the Aaron is just cut that way. I say a 5.5 on the Aaron as well. If it weren't for the print lines on both cards, you might be looking a 6's. Either way, GREAT cards!!! Good luck!
  • MantleMarisFordBerraMantleMarisFordBerra Posts: 1,711 ✭✭✭
    Nice cards, you should def get them graded if you intend to sell. Unfortunately, the creases in the sides of each card will drop the grades quite a bit. From the scans it does not appear that these are tears, however if they are your grades will go even lower, in the 2 or 2.5 range. If they are just creases, i would guess 4.5 or 5s. Either way, nice cards & you should get 'em graded.
  • chaz43chaz43 Posts: 2,140 ✭✭✭
    PSA 4, PSA 3. chaz
  • vintagetoppsguyvintagetoppsguy Posts: 871


    << <i>Nice cards, you should def get them graded if you intend to sell. Unfortunately, the creases in the sides of each card will drop the grades quite a bit. From the scans it does not appear that these are tears, however if they are your grades will go even lower, in the 2 or 2.5 range. If they are just creases, i would guess 4.5 or 5s. Either way, nice cards & you should get 'em graded. >>



    Print lines - '54s are notorious for them - especially the Aaron
  • cravetoppscravetopps Posts: 1,134
    even if they grade "auth", you'll cover your grading fees. one has to wonder why these cards are not slabbed so make sure you accept a MG of "auth" when you do the paperwork.
    Mark B.

    Seeking primarily PSA graded pre-war "type" cards

    My PSA Registry Sets

    34 Goudey, 75 Topps Mini, Hall of Fame Complete Set, 1985 Topps Tiffany, Hall of Fame Players Complete Set
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Nice old cards. Yeah those line suck. I'm thinking the Aaron is nicer then the Kaline.

    I love that rough cut. (on the Aaron)

    Im thinking the Aaron is a 4?

    The Kaline a 2 or a 3?


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • nam812nam812 Posts: 10,600 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Aaron 5

    Kaline 4
  • onlyanumberonlyanumber Posts: 2,433


    << <i>I agree with Barry on the Kaline, but I think the Aaron is just cut that way. I say a 5.5 on the Aaron as well. If it weren't for the print lines on both cards, you might be looking a 6's. Either way, GREAT cards!!! Good luck! >>



    Ditto on all points.
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  • DrJDrJ Posts: 2,213
    Aaron looks to be trimmed to me, but if not PSA 4.5.

    Kaline will probably nab you a 3.5.

  • bluemarlinbluemarlin Posts: 627 ✭✭✭
    Aaron looks like a 5,Kaline 4.5

    Jake
  • cardbendercardbender Posts: 1,831 ✭✭
    Aaron 6, although the lower right edge does look to be cut inward, might be trimmed. That's too bad if it is, it's a really nicely centered rc.

    Kaline 5 to 5.5 .

    This is of course assuming there's no creases or hidden wrinkles.

    I've seen '54 PSA 9's with print line roller marks.

    I would send them in and see what they slab out to be.
    Good luck!!
  • SportsItUpCardsSportsItUpCards Posts: 2,547
    Why do they both have that same line? They came in the same pack or something? Same messed up batch? I don't know anything about these, so thats why i'm asking image

    Nice looking cards anyway, I would say both 5's if I had to guess???

    Giovanni
  • leadoff4leadoff4 Posts: 2,392 ✭
    I say they both could be 5s. Here are two PSA 6s I had graded, both with the print lines.
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  • digicatdigicat Posts: 8,551 ✭✭
    I've seen that lower-right slant on graded Aarons before, so I'm thinking that it's probably a known flaw with the 1954 Topps print run.

    However, the print line looks like the game breaker on both cards. It looks like they dig into the cards a bit, like scratches. You probably won't see anything higher than a 5 on both due to that.

    However, centering's not bad, and the corners look 6ish. So, as long as there's no creases, I'll say PSA 5 on both.
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  • rpcoletranerpcoletrane Posts: 718 ✭✭
    No, there are no creases at all, I have been over them both rigorously with my loupe. The print lines are flush with the surface, no digs or anything, just the extra ink. The slant on the lower right on the Aaron is pretty common with the issue, here is one with the slant graded by PSA:

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  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The slant on the lower right on the Aaron is pretty common with the issue >>



    If that's the case, which I hope it is, 5.5 on both and worth the submission.

    Good luck image
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • jjwormjjworm Posts: 196 ✭✭
    I collect the '54 set in PSA 7 and 8 and I know these cards pretty well. The print lines do occur on some cards and won't detract much from the grade, if any. I feel the print lines do detract from their appearance though and whatever grade you get, the price will be in the lower range for that grade.

    That said, as long as you don't see a wrinkle or the Aaron doesn't come back trimmed...

    Aaron - PSA 7 with an equal chance of a PSA 6. Not knowing how they grade PSA 6.5, then if centering is something they use as a big guide, then a 6.5 is not out of the question
    Kaline - PSA 6

    You might think I am being optimistic here, but I have seen many hundreds if not a thousand of the '54 cards in different grades.

    Good luck and enjoy them both!

    Collecting:

    - Post War baseball HOF RC's
    - 1980's unopened baseball
    - All Mutoscope and American Beauties

  • StingrayStingray Posts: 8,843 ✭✭✭
    Aaron, trimmed?? Right side of card slants from right to left going from the top to the bottom.
  • BobaFett72BobaFett72 Posts: 7,304
    i dont think it's trimmed, and I like the rough cut, adds character.
  • StingrayStingray Posts: 8,843 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Aaron, trimmed?? Right side of card slants from right to left going from the top to the bottom. >>




    Did not see that this is common among the Aarons.
  • cravetoppscravetopps Posts: 1,134
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    The one on the top is graded. Your card is on the bottom. Which card looks better?
    Mark B.

    Seeking primarily PSA graded pre-war "type" cards

    My PSA Registry Sets

    34 Goudey, 75 Topps Mini, Hall of Fame Complete Set, 1985 Topps Tiffany, Hall of Fame Players Complete Set
  • CDsNutsCDsNuts Posts: 10,092 ✭
    6
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  • rpcoletranerpcoletrane Posts: 718 ✭✭


    << <i>The one on the top is graded. Your card is on the bottom. Which card looks better? >>




    I actually think my card presents itself better (centering, corners, color, etc.), what do you all think?
  • cravetoppscravetopps Posts: 1,134
    I think it's close.

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    Mark B.

    Seeking primarily PSA graded pre-war "type" cards

    My PSA Registry Sets

    34 Goudey, 75 Topps Mini, Hall of Fame Complete Set, 1985 Topps Tiffany, Hall of Fame Players Complete Set
  • ezyshooterezyshooter Posts: 711
    If either of those cards get above a 4.5 then out of the thousands of cards i have sent in to PSA i am getting screwed royally.
    They are nice cards but to many problems = 4.5 at best.
    Steve
    Die Hard Toronto Maple Leafs Fan !!
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    I totally down graded the kaline because the print lines were right at his face. Distracted to much for me. However if PSA allows for it then I would think it too would get a 4.


    I aslo noticed the right edge of the Aaron and also thought it could be trimmed. I just did not want to be the first to mention it.

    Both are nice cards I just do not like where the print lines are on the Kaline. Too focal of a point.


    good luck

    Steve
    Good for you.
  • baseballfanaticbaseballfanatic Posts: 2,415 ✭✭
    Gotta go with a slice job on the Aaron
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "If either of those cards get above a 4.5 then out of the thousands of cards i have sent in to PSA i am getting screwed royally.
    They are nice cards but too many problems = 4.5 at best."

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    Ditto.

    BUT, when I look at the 7,........... I dunno.

    In any event, they should definitely be submitted.

    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • rpcoletranerpcoletrane Posts: 718 ✭✭
    I wish you guys could see these cards. The surfaces are like they just came from a pack. I will tell the story on how I obtained these. My father, who is a retired police officer and constable, is also a gun dealer. He and another man have a pawn shop. One day, my dad calls me up and says there is a man in here with a box of old baseball cards and wants to sell them. I went down there and met a man, about 6'2", shoulder length mullet, 3 teeth, holding a very old model airplane box. He said he had just inherited his uncles estate and was selling off everything, and found this box of cards in there. I opened the box and there were probably 7 or 8 stacks of cards in there, 50 or so to a stack, all with dry-rotted rubber bands stuck (and I mean stuck) around them. They were 1954 Topps baseball, 1954 Bowman baseball, 1954 Bowman Football, and some Non-Sports Topps Cards of Davy Crockett and World on Wheels. I took out a stack and peeled the rubber band fragments from around them. The outer 2 cards were ruined with stains from the rubber bands, but the inner cards were nice, almost like pack fresh! I found the Aaron and Kaline in the same stack in the middle (thank God). There was a complete run of the 54 Topps SPs in there, as well as many other stars. The 54 Bowman baseball yielded many stars including a nice Willie Mays. I realized then that these cards had been in this box since they were bought. I bought the cards from the man. I have since sold all of the cards, many to board members (cwazzy got alot of 54 Bowmans, he can tell ya about em), and have only kept these 2. So there ya go, I would stake my life that this Aaron card has not been trimmed.
  • hofautoshofautos Posts: 1,934


    << <i>"If either of those cards get above a 4.5 then out of the thousands of cards i have sent in to PSA i am getting screwed royally.
    They are nice cards but too many problems = 4.5 at best."

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    Ditto.

    BUT, when I look at the 7,........... I dunno.

    In any event, they should definitely be submitted. >>



    Agreed...I paid to have MY sgc reviewed hoping for a 6, but they wouldnt give it the bump...i still think this is the nicest 5.5 i have ever seen. I do seem to have the same slant cut, but on top left though. I know ungraded, i would take this 5.5 over that psa 7 above (OMG)...
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  • rpcoletranerpcoletrane Posts: 718 ✭✭
    Anyone else care to share an opinion? All are welcome!
  • cardbendercardbender Posts: 1,831 ✭✭
    I stand by my first post:

    Aaron 6
    Kaline 5 to 5.5

    That PSA 7 Aaron is pure ugly. That SGC Aaron looks like a solid 5.5 to me.
    I've owned a straight 8 Aaron RC and it looked 3 grades higher
    than that slabbed 7. For what it's worth my Aaron didn't have that slanted cut to the lower right edge corner.

    I would trust the posters opinion who said he's collected this set and scene a lot of 54's. He knows the set cold.

    Jeremy, I would just send in the cards and see how you do. By the way, great pawn shop story.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Jeremy nice find!

    Like Storm says they should be sent in.


    Steve
    Good for you.
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