I don't understand the half grade fuss???

plifter

Why does it matter so much whether a card is an 8 or an 8.5? Are you really getting a card that you can actually SEE a difference in the condition? I can barely tell the difference between a "7" and a "10". If people used common sense and realized just how opinionated grading is, there would not be a 100X increase in a card that is an "8" vs. a "9". Therefore there would not be a huge value increase for these .5 cards and everyone would be happy

WinPitcher

The 'fuss' is very different for every person. Money, prestige, value, Did I say money? all play a part in this.

The problem as i see it is simply we have so many different series and cards that almost everyone that has a PSA graded card is effected in some way. Even those that do not have any could have been effected. (suppose you just sold a set and left money on the table) because you had no idea they were doing this and many of the cards you just sold could have been bumped up?

In the long run and going forward i think it is a good thing. However, the way it was put out here is what i have a problem with. The review for bumps leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I could go on and on but i'll leave it at this for now.


Steve

plifter

But what I'm saying is that there shouldn't be THAT MUCH money left on the table if you just sold. I think the real question people should ask is why would someone pay a lot more for a card labelled half a point higher or even a full point higher than another one? The condition of the card probably isn't too discernable to the naked eye. It's like people are buying a label on a slab of plastic instead of buying a card. These card graders go through 500 or 600 cards a day. How much time could they be spending on each one? It's all about buying an opinion. People are paying way too much for these opinions. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to eventually see the bottom drop out of the graded card market when I look at some of the absurd prices paid. I mean, a 1975 Nolan Ryan went for nearly $30K because someone's opinion was that it was a "10"! WTF! That's insane. I can find raw 75 Ryans for $30 that have hardly a flaw.

fandango

<< <i>But what I'm saying is that there shouldn't be THAT MUCH money left on the table if you just sold. I think the real question people should ask is why would someone pay a lot more for a card labelled half a point higher or even a full point higher than another one? The condition of the card probably isn't too discernable to the naked eye. It's like people are buying a label on a slab of plastic instead of buying a card. These card graders go through 500 or 600 cards a day. How much time could they be spending on each one? It's all about buying an opinion. People are paying way too much for these opinions. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to eventually see the bottom drop out of the graded card market when I look at some of the absurd prices paid. I mean, a 1975 Nolan Ryan went for nearly $30K because someone's opinion was that it was a "10"! WTF! That's insane. I can find raw 75 Ryans for $30 that have hardly a flaw. >>



then buy them and send them in for grading dude! you can be on the gravy train with those PSA 10's!!!!!

rube26105

<Why does it matter so much whether a card is an 8 or an 8.5?>

for me with a 58 year old fb set with tons of 8's in it, it could mean a big difference in value of stars i paid 5-8 hundred dollars for , if i can get my joe perry 8 up,i prob will, ive never even looked at it,going to see how the 1st grades i sent in of 50 bow come back after feb with my 15 free subs for the set before do anything with my my complete set

< I can find raw 75 Ryans for $30 that have hardly a flaw.>

you give it a whirl and see what they really come back ,harldy a flaw is a big diffence from a 10

plifter

<< <i>then buy them and send them in for grading dude! you can be on the gravy train with those PSA 10's!!!!! >>



What I don't understand is why a "10" is worth so much more than a "9". You could give the same raw card to another grader and it would come back an "8" or a "9". I also suspect that on the backend at the grading houses, there is pressure to keep the number of "10's" low. Therefore I could send my hypothetical flawless 75 Ryans and they still might not get slabbed as a 10 because it's in the grading house's interest to keep the population low and prices high. That keeps people submitting cards hoping to make a fortune.

I use grading for different reasons. I want to know the card is authentic and untampered with. It also gives a good idea of the condition when buying over e-bay and you can't see the card in person. Plus I like the holders to preserve the card damage free.

JasP24

Rube,

Your Tom Fears RC looks like a strong candidate as well. My Joe Perry RC is in my stack of cards going to PSA for review as well. Think it might have a shot?



Jason

rube26105

in my case-there are 7 10's out of 13,000+ graded 50 bowman fbs,thats the diff in vintage stuff,as for modern stuff,i have no idea

JasP24

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<< <i>then buy them and send them in for grading dude! you can be on the gravy train with those PSA 10's!!!!! >>



What I don't understand is why a "10" is worth so much more than a "9". You could give the same raw card to another grader and it would come back an "8" or a "9". I also suspect that on the backend at the grading houses, there is pressure to keep the number of "10's" low. Therefore I could send my hypothetical flawless 75 Ryans and they still might not get slabbed as a 10 because it's in the grading house's interest to keep the population low and prices high. That keeps people submitting cards hoping to make a fortune.

I use grading for different reasons. I want to know the card is authentic and untampered with. It also gives a good idea of the condition when buying over e-bay and you can't see the card in person. Plus I like the holders to preserve the card damage free. >>



Its because a 10 is a 10 and a 9 is a 9...Why is Google stock worth more than McDonalds? I mean its capitalism at its finest. For those looking for the highest graded cards and have the money to spend, more power to them. I've never been unhappy about $.01 I've spent on cards. If I were, I would find a new hobby.

Jason

SportsItUpCards

I'm not to sure either on whats going on with the .5 scale, or whats the big deal, but i'm sure if people are saying its a big deal for them, then it is. I don't collect vintage stuff, so I guess it dosen't affect me, I collect modern autographed cards.

I do belive that this is a good idea, because I think there shouldn't be that thing were people say, this looks like a low 8, or this one looks like its a high end 8, I think thats totaly stupid, a PSA 8 should be exactly that, an 8!

I guess now, those low looking 8's will be 8's, and the ones that looked like high end 8's are now 8.5's??? Then I think a Mint 9 should be a card that dosen't make the Gem Mint 10 grade, but it higher then an 8.5, not to be a strong 9, or loe end 9. A Mint 9 should be a Mint 9. If it looks like a low end 9, then that shouldn't be the case anymore, it should come back an 8.5!

I don't belive in that whole BGS prestine thing. PSA's Gem Mint 10 is prestine. I think that whole 9 or 10 thing from PSA without having 9.5 is great. A 9 should be a 9, not a high end one or low, a low 9 should be an 8.5. And a card that looks better than Mint should obviously come back a 10.

I hope I made sense, i'm kinda tired and don't know if I made a ton of spelling errors or got my point across, but I think I did somewhat

Giovanni

rube26105

Rube,

Your Tom Fears RC looks like a strong candidate as well. My Joe Perry RC is in my stack of cards going to PSA for review as well. Think it might have a shot?

id give it a whirl,it cant go down any in the slab from what they are saying

JasP24

<< <i>Rube,

Your Tom Fears RC looks like a strong candidate as well. My Joe Perry RC is in my stack of cards going to PSA for review as well. Think it might have a shot?

id give it a whirl,it cant go down any in the slab from what they are saying >>



No, it won't. The review process is nothing new. PSA has been offering review service for a year or 2 now, but only for FULL GRADE bumps. I'm very picky, I inspect each card multiple times under magnification..I measure the centering to the exact percentages...With what I send in for review, and won't send anything in that I don;'t think has a VERY good chance at getting a bump. I run about 15% success rate on reviews going up a full grade.

I think I can do even better just trying to go up .5...

Jason

plifter

<< <i>[Why is Google stock worth more than McDonalds? I mean its capitalism at its finest.
Jason >>



Stock price doesn't indicate one company is more profitable than another. It's way more complicated than that.

JasP24

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<< <i>[Why is Google stock worth more than McDonalds? I mean its capitalism at its finest.
Jason >>



Stock price doesn't indicate one company is more profitable than another. It's way more complicated than that. >>



Why someone would spend more for a PSA 10 isn't...Simple stuff, collectors pay what they are comfortable paying...Lower pop, higher graded..Its all about what you want. You want PSA 5's have at it..Autographed modern? Buy it up. Cheap 80s commons? Whatever floats your boat. Be happy you live in a country where you can make that choice on a daily basis.

Jason