Tell me the flips are going to be different!!
Nuyauwka
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I sure hope PSA has thought ahead and the flip is a different color or a different style from here on. I think the card buying public should know that if a card is an PSA 8 they know from which era the card was graded from. You should know automatically that the card could be a 8.5 but it was graded before that service was available. If the flips the same then I think no one at PSA gave this any thought. This alone would keep the value of older PSA 8 's up, since they could all possibly be 8.5's , if the flip the same , dump your cards , it's a joke . And unless you have cards from the 30's and before , why would anyone pay the extra money to get a PSA 8 bumped up a half grade. It's throwing money away as far as I'm concerned, the registry can't make people ignorant...can it?. If people are sucked into this, PSA just re-invented the wheel!!! Now PSA dosen't have to worry if people can find raw cards worth grading, they opened up a new frontier , grade your graded cards!!!
If it's worth doing..It's worth overdoing!!
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<< <i>....they opened up a new frontier , grade your graded cards!!! >>
We had that already, it was called the 80s and 90s.
Mark
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As an Authorized PSA Dealer, you CAN'T differentiate between "OLD"
and "NEW" holders. In other words, a PSA grade is a PSA grade,
regardless of when graded.
On the other hand, I totally disagree with your assumption that all
the old cards are somehow "UNDERGRADED". In fact, I have seen
many older graded slabs that would not come close to today's
(IMHO) strict grading.
Then again, I have seen some that are definitely nicer.
Honestly, I don't think I am a big fan of this, but, the reality is
that it is here and we all are going to be utilizing the service.
If you don't agree, you don't have to buy any cards and you
can move on to SGC or GAI.
@, just stating REALITY (IMHO).
Tony
That would help avoid problems between people assuming "low" end because it doesn't have the extra half grade. Either a different color edge or a lightning bolt or maybe even an asterisk to denote "performance enhancers"!!!
Half grades are here. Sure - there will be some pain, somewhere... But, if its done right - it can work in the long run. SGC 92's are generally worth more than 88's. And somehow to denote between the 10 point grading versus the new half point grading system will help stop some of the confusion.
Frank
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There are merrits to both sides to all this. It will bring PSA cards to a more exact/non exact science. Many of the other grading co's are already doing this. How mant times did we send in a older card and get the lower of the grade expected??? Many times it could mean loss of money...esp if selling. So many guys are cracking/resub numerous times to get the grade wanted (yes PSA graders are all over the board sometimes). Now maybe this will slow down, giving a truer pop report and save people some money.
Me, like a number of people have kinda been buying the card not the grade...more for a high end card...less for a low end card...so the 1/2 grades will not affect me all that much. I just hope that PSA allows for recognition of both types of grading systems...like many on the boards have pointed out already. New grading use decimals(best) or a color change to indicate this card was graded under the 1/2 scale.
Most of what I have is higher end for the grade.........but will I be forced to get them all graded to keep up with the jones' on the registries?
Is PSA going to go a promotion to help this dilemma many of us now face??? This will still cost a minor fortune. Psa is slow now....how can they possible support the stream of cards that might come in?? Revenue generating or whatever you might call this......will initiallly cause all kinds of problems. I for one will just sit back and take no initial actions.
What about the poor fellow (like me for all these past years) who buy PSA cards and do the sets.........but never graded??? Do they now have to join PSA or find someone willing to sub for them???
Results: right now many people will be pissed off, in 3 years who knows??? I think the 1/2 grades will help....a 8.5 will sell much closer to the 8 that the 9. Vintage 9's and 10's will still command big $ . I think this will have a greater affect on the older stuff but only the psa 6,7, and 8's.
Hopefully PSA will now keep this system and not change things again.
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<< <i>Frank hit it on the head . I was not insinuating that all old cards are under graded just the fact that all old cards have the possibility of a higher grade. Without a new flip , you would not know whether that PSA 8 has the potential to be a PSA 8.5 because you know it was graded before that system was in place, >>
I've got news for you...NEWLY graded 8's will still have the potential to go to 8.5 or higher...If the card is nicer than the holder it is in, it will have the potential to bump. Even if its been to PSA 5 times before with every different kind of flip, decimal point, whatever. If the grade don't fit, you must resubmit....lol... Or you can sell to someone like me who will pay the resub fee to have the higher graded card. I've gotten over 100 FULL GRADE bumps on resubmitted cards in the past couple of years. Half grades will be ever easier to get than the full grade. I know I will be shopping for 8.5s in hope of getting them bumped to PSA 9!
Its all about the card. If you have no clue what the differences are between a PSA 7-8-9-10, why even purchase or deal with graded cards. All you are buying in the plastic holder. If you are paying premium prices for low end cards, that's your mistake and the new half grade system will probably cause your collection to lose value. If you are like Jay or myself and you spend according to the card INSIDE the holder then you probably stand to increase the value of your collection substantially with the new half grades.
How much more would a PSA 8.5 Paul Hornung or Jim Brown be worth??? It would cost you $35 to get each re-graded. A bump on either of those would mean $500-$1000 or more in additional value.
To me it makes perfect sense, and it won't matter what the flip looks like...Its what the card looks like.
Jason
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<< <i>You won't be able tell much of a difference about a graded card from an Ebay scan. If you buy in person(which is in the minority) then you can buy the card, but the vast majority of slabbed cards are bought sold on Ebay, and your not just buying the card on Ebay , your buying the holder as well. The centering is all you can be sure of. >>
You're right. BUYING from ebay is sometimes a crap shoot. Many times the centering will be nice, but the card will have a flaw that didn't show on the scan. BUT, I thought we were talking about cards you already own? Isn't that were you would possibly LOOSE money, is on re-sale? If the hypothetic you initial posted is right, then you should be able to buy straight PSA 8's for LESS. How is that bad for the buyer? The only person who could loose out in this deal is the owner of a "high end" straight PSA 8 who fails to get the card correctly graded.
My point was that it doesn't matter if it's a new flip or old flip, new system, old system. If anything the value of HIGH END OLDER PSA 8s will go UP in the short term as buyers like myself look for cards that could possibly be upgraded in the new half point system. Long term, once quite a few 8.5s hit the market, the 8's might drop in value. But even then, the ones that drop will typically be "low end" and not worthy of an upgrade anyway.
PSA would be nuts to change the flip.
Jason
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Then my point was misunderstood , maybe I stated it incorrectly. I'm not talking about cards I already own. The new flip in my opinion helps when purchasing, and the seller on resale as well. Since I believe most slabbed cards are bought and sold not with the 2 parties in person , if I were to buy a PSA 8 that had an"old flip" off of Ebay, I know it may have some additional upside because it could be an 8.5 where if it had a "new flip" I know it's already been through the new system of grading. I also realize that many grades are not accurate and all cards are subject to being broken out and re-submitted. Also , if you think of it from a dealer side , or a collector with a large collection later for resale , I think the value of the cards(not to be sold in person), especially the PSA 8's would hold a better value if the buyer knew they were from the old grading system. It's my opinion , I think it makes good business sense and would ease a lot of the negitive emotions I have read on this board toward PSA because of this decision. I think a new flip eases in the transition and lets the older cards graded stand on their own merit.
<< <i>Since I believe most slabbed cards are bought and sold not with the 2 parties in person , if I were to buy a PSA 8 that had an"old flip" off of Ebay, I know it may have some additional upside because it could be an 8.5 where if it had a "new flip" I know it's already been through the new system of grading. >>
This to me is the biggest potential issue with the new grading system....
I have no plans of resubmitting my graded cards.... When/if I sell them, the buyer needs to know if the card was reviewed under the new system or old system....
Make no mistake, PSA is a business. Business is a money making venture and this change is MEANT to get people to resub cards. So new flips would go against PSA's goal in making this whole change. They might as well scrap the whole idea if they are changing the flips. No one would want to send new cards in because new straight 8s would be less valuable.
Good points though, I do see where you are coming from. It helps collectors who own low end cards for the grade because it will cause buyers to falsely believe that the card might be bumpable because it hasn't been review by PSA under the new system yet.
Jason
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Steve
We have no idea that this will be the case. The market will decide on a card by card basis.
Steve
<< <i>Jas I don't understand your 2nd sentence. Cards graded after 2 01 08 will have a new flip. They will be graded .5 Or are you talking about those cards that do not show a .5?
Steve >>
We were discussing cards without the .5 and if they should have something to show if they are newly graded or grandfathered. Obviously, anything with a .5 will be newly graded because it will show the new .5...
Jason
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I thought that but wasn't sure.
Thanks
Steve
<< <i>a 8.5 will sell much closer to the 8 that the 9.
We have no idea that this will be the case. The market will decide on a card by card basis.
Steve >>
Agreed.
If you use SGC, GAI or BGS cards as a guide, it will tell you that most the 8.5/92s sell closer to the 8/88 than they do to 9/96 prices. But, its about the card. If the card is a high end 8.5, it could go even higher...
Jason
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<< <i>how about just using 8.0 and 8.5 on new certs >>
Putting 8.0 on new certs just lost money for whoever sent the card in and got an 8.0. Why would anyone crack an OLD 8 with the chance at getting the NEW 8.0 and devaluing their card..
Makes no sense, except for the guys who own a bunch of low end for the grade cards that want to be able to peddle their low end stuff as OLD standards (bump potential) cards...
Jason
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As I stated before this is only my opinion and I am not trying to be argumentative. I do not see why the value of a PSA 8 graded after 2/1/08 would have lesser value. I think a grade of 8.5 , may bring a premium in certain issues because collectors that are trying to have their set #1 in the registry, but I do not see the value of the new PSA 8 going down. PSA 8 commons in the 60's in all sports have hit a plateau that has been holding for quite some time now , normally selling in the $10-$15.00 range unless of course a low-pop. I do not think these new PSA 8's will sell for less, if one need the card in their set a PSA 8 it will be bought if available. While I feel the competitive collector will want the PSA 8.5 , I do not think they wiill let a PSA 8 go by hoping they will see the 8.5 soon in their future. My whole beef was I feel the flip should be diffferent so all the current PSA 8's can live by their own merit and not be thought of as not be able to cut the grade of a PSA 8.5.