Calling Davallillo...

gosteelers · January 17, 2008 3:01AM

Jim Crandell...what do YOU have to say about this mess? I know you have a very vested interest in this...

BobS · January 17, 2008 4:03AM

I think he's out renting a u-haul to bring all his cards to Newport Beach. If ANYONE out there has more to gain with the 1/2 point system, I'd love to know. That's all he has, PSA 8's. I never met Jim, but I have admired his resolve and collection from a far, but me thinks he will not be paying PSA the full price for the grade review/bump.

Jim - where are you?????????

Davalillo · January 17, 2008 4:18AM

I'm ecstatic.

ChrisC · January 17, 2008 4:19AM

Jim went to the liquor store so he could have something to wash down his blood pressure medication with.

BobS · January 17, 2008 4:35AM

Jim - I assume you're serious, and I would be too if I was in your shoes.

Now the big question - are you going to try and complete 100 vintage sets in PSA 8.5 or higher?

Davalillo · January 17, 2008 4:42AM

Bob,

You know me--I am dead serious about my cards and I couldn't be happier.

My target will still be 100 cards psa 8 and better although I look forward to having all the 8.5s sprinkled through my sets.

RonBurgundy · January 17, 2008 4:45AM

Jim - good to hear your thoughts on this.

Ron

WinPitcher · January 17, 2008 5:06AM

Jim you don't mind having to pay for all the resubs/ bumps? I mean the cards have not changed, right?

To do this you have to mail them out to Cali, wait for them to be looked at, then have them mailed back. Hi end cards almost always fetched top dollar anyway. The market did that for us.

Steve

MeteoriteGuy · January 17, 2008 5:10AM

<< Jim - good to hear your thoughts on this.

Ron >>

I think this was a pay day for Jim, and other PSA 8 vintage collectors in the long run.

Mark

Fuzz · January 17, 2008 6:46AM

I don't have as many cards as Dav but I am probably at half as many. Probably 6 to 7K cards graded 8.
Not happy at all. Have no interest in a new car value worth of grading fees to get back what I already own.
If this makes me less competitive then I will consider other alternatives.
I despise a business that treats new customers better than the old (banks are known for this).

julen23 · January 17, 2008 7:13AM

agreed & greed is the "optional" word that will drive 100% of re-submitters.

messt up for sure.

j

Davalillo · January 17, 2008 9:06AM

Steve,

No doubt the logistics are daunting. I would probably rather this did not happen but I do believe its a good economic proposition for me.

RonBurgundy · January 17, 2008 11:11AM

" I don't have as many cards as Dav but I am probably at half as many. Probably 6 to 7K cards graded 8.
Not happy at all. Have no interest in a new car value worth of grading fees to get back what I already own.
If this makes me less competitive then I will consider other alternatives.
I despise a business that treats new customers better than the old (banks are known for this)."

Well, you made your bed with them. Deal with it.

Ron

WinPitcher · January 17, 2008 11:17AM

Call Joe maybe he will cut you a deal.

Steve

jayhawke · January 17, 2008 7:01PM

<< Call Joe maybe he will cut you a deal. >>

Maybe he already did and that is another reason he is ecstatic.

WinPitcher · January 17, 2008 10:29PM

I was talking to Fuzz........

Steve

carew4me · January 18, 2008 12:00AM

Fuzz,
Drink the Koolaid.

Its a WONDERFUL move.

PSA can do whatever they want and you should LOVE it.

HammeringHank · January 18, 2008 1:56AM

Jim (Crandell)...I mean really why do you think this is a good idea? Will you really go back and re-graded thousands of cards, hoping to pick-up a half-point? If not then what does that do for your collections? I'd really be interested, because I just don't see it. Who does this help the hobby? You? Me? PSA?

Davalillo · January 18, 2008 3:19AM

Hammerin Hank,

I don't know if it helps you.

I do know that there is no stopping this so it does not matter what I think.

I do think it helps the economic value of my collection and I will be resubmitting some 22,000 plus psa 8s

Stingray · January 18, 2008 3:28AM

<< Hammerin Hank,

I don't know if it helps you.

I do know that there is no stopping this so it does not matter what I think.

I do think it helps the economic value of my collection and I will be resubmitting some 22,000 plus psa 8s >>

It will be interesting to see the percentage of those that get the bump to an 8.5.

Davalillo · January 18, 2008 3:48AM

Stingray,

I have been promised 40 percent--but only 25% of my $10,000 and over cards.

ColleSystem · January 18, 2008 3:53AM

<< Stingray,

I have been promised 40 percent--but only 25% of my $10,000 and over cards.

>>

They promised you percentages? That seems rather odd. That also indicates that your cards will not be graded randomly.

Stingray · January 18, 2008 4:13AM

<< 

<< Stingray,

I have been promised 40 percent--but only 25% of my $10,000 and over cards.

>>

They promised you percentages? That seems rather odd. That also indicates that your cards will not be graded randomly. >>

Davalillo · January 18, 2008 4:21AM

Of course they did not-sdmiley face means I am kidding.

RipublicaninMass · January 18, 2008 5:11AM

<< Of course they did not-sdmiley face means I am kidding. >>

sheesh thanks for clearing that up!

GOODLIEU · January 18, 2008 5:34AM

<< Hammerin Hank,

I don't know if it helps you.

I do know that there is no stopping this so it does not matter what I think.

I do think it helps the economic value of my collection and I will be resubmitting some 22,000 plus psa 8s >>

Jim I think that what you stated above is the reality that we as PSA collectors are now going to have to come to grips with and use the new format to our advantage. I guess I will be reviewing my PSA 8's in my 1948 Bowman Basketball set for review in the upcoming months as in my case it is the top vintage set I own that would benefit from a 1/2 point knock to 8.5. I guess as far as grading formats goes the Playing field between the top grading companies is now level. So in the following years we will see how this change effects the value of our sets and PSA's dominance of the grading market, only time will tell.

HammeringHank · January 18, 2008 7:47AM

I have nothing against PSA...in fact I think they have been a tremendous help to the hobby...but this move is about increasing the revenue stream for PSA and nothing else...don't be surprised when in 4-5 years from now...the quarter point is introduced...

julen23 · January 18, 2008 9:20AM

some much conjecture, mine included, but i think we are all right.

people collecting cards for over 20+ years have to know something about something right?

i wish i had pursued the raw sets this year vs last year, i think there will be significant upgrading @ very reasonable costs for set builders out there.

the only conceivable next step is the grading breakdown, ala bvg or beckett?? i cant remember who, but the slab has individual grades for corners, handsome stature, machismo & the ever critical centering top/bottom.

julen

GOODLIEU · January 18, 2008 9:39AM

A few years ago the Beckett powers that be despite outcries from their collectors abandoned the subgrades on their BVG vintage grading line. I guess as PSA members are finding out that once these companies change their policies there is not a whole lot we collectors can do to change it.

jmbkb4 · January 18, 2008 11:54AM

Jim,

you can probably get 25,000 cards regraded for about $1/card if you play your cards right.

SOM · January 18, 2008 11:57AM

"...if you play your cards right?"

GAG!

ping4u43 · January 18, 2008 8:45PM

All cards should be cracked out of current holders and submitted raw, if owner feels that they have been under graded.

fandango · January 18, 2008 8:57PM

<< 

<< Stingray,

I have been promised 40 percent--but only 25% of my $10,000 and over cards.

>>

They promised you percentages? That seems rather odd. That also indicates that your cards will not be graded randomly. >>

COllESystem: werent you booted already for bashing PSA?

love how these things bring back the snakes....

Darin · January 19, 2008 1:43AM

Davalio- Could you provide details on what kind of deal PSA offered you? I want to call Joe and ask him about the issue of whether the big registry collectors are being shown favoritism.

SOM · January 19, 2008 2:09AM

So what if he is?

Name me one business that doesn't treat its biggest customers most favorably.

WinPitcher · January 19, 2008 2:27AM

<< All cards should be cracked out of current holders and submitted raw, if owner feels that they have been under graded. >>

Agree, or they should be sent in under exsisting protocols.

This fiasco could have been averted had PSA simply stated they would be going to a .5 system effective immedialtly <sp> No mention of sending in for bumps and if the card does not bump no chance of a down grade. Had this happened people would have either cracked out what they felt were tweeners for the grade or resubbed them in the holders stating the minimum they would accept.

By making such an issue of resubbing for bumps it makes them appear desperate for business omong other things of which has been said about 1000 times already.

JMO

Steve

jayhawke · January 19, 2008 2:40AM

<< So what if he is? >>

You want the public to believe that there is a level playing field and everyone is being treated the same.

estang · January 19, 2008 8:12AM

How about they take 25,000 of Jim's cards at $1 a pop to review and then just randomly look at 100 of them and insert the 8.5 grade on it. Yeah, that should do the trick. I'm not an "avid PSA collector", but I find this whole decision and process odd.

It's damn near a product recall.

Calling Davallillo...

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