Curious Question.

ASUtodd

For those of you that are familiar with the $2.50 and $5.00 Indian Head Gold coins, here is a question for you. Are there any darkside coins out there that use the same type of "reverse" relief that this coin did (I do not know the technical name for it- I have now been informed by LordM that it is called insuce). If so let me know. There are few US coins that I long for but this has always been one. Seeing as how I am a poorman I have not yet been able to afford one. Just curious if the Darkside would have something to this effect. So far my searches have turned up nill.... Thanks
Todd

lordmarcovan

Incuse design.

Yeah, I can think of a few. There are some relatively modern Swedish coins, for example. Common, too. But the designs ain't terribly exciting.

FilthyBroke

I'm also curious to see if there are other incuse designs out there. I've never seen another that I can recall.

Edited to add: If I recall there was some discussion as to the design being something of a "germ trap" and a concern for the health of the general public, or something like that.

trozau

<< <i>For those of you that are familiar with the $2.50 and $5.00 Indian HeEad Gold coins, here is a question for you. Are there any darkside coins out there that use the same type of "reverse" relief that this coin did (I do not know the technical name for it). If so let me know. There are few US coins that I long for but this has always been one. Seeing as how I am a poorman I have not yet been able to afford one. Just curious if the Darkside would have something to this effect. So far my searches have turned up nill.... Thanks
Todd >>


The term you are looking for is incused design (opposite of relief design). There are probably some world coin out there with incused design but I have NOT come across one personally.

Dawg144

Lots of ancients, I think. Oh, and brockages.

Blackhawk

The Great Britain 20 pence has some incuse design or lettering I think.

lordmarcovan

Yep, the Brit 20p (a modern and simple design I have always loved) is one example of at least partially incuse design.

C'mon, I know some of y'all have some of the Swedish pieces. Don't make me have to dig through my sixty pound hoard to find some and scan them...

tbirde56

Sweden, 1, 2, 5 ore coins 1952-71.

Sapyx

Sweden 5 ore on WCG. The next series is entirely incuse. They're the best examples I can think of of coins with an almost entirely incuse design.

There are plenty of others with incuse lettering - the British "cartwheel" pennies and tuppences of 1797, and several other large copper coins from around the same time, such as the Isle of Man halfpennies and pennies of 1798, and the French and colonial 10 centime billon coins like this one of Napoleon I. Incuse designs were only practical once the steam press was introduced, and at the time it was considered an effective anti-counterfeiting device, as forgers had neither the expertise nor equipment to do a convincing job of copying it.

Many others have parts of the legend in incuse, like the Russian coppers of the late 1800's and early 1900's.

satootoko

I'm amazed that no one pointed out that the Dead Prez dollars have incuse lettering on the edges.

lordmarcovan

Thank you, Sapyx, for saving me the trouble of digging some out of the hoard and scanning them. Those Swedish pieces, particularly the KM845, were what I was getting at.

I had forgotten about the incuse dates and lettering on the Russian kopecks.

ASUtodd

These are all great examples BUT they aren't like the Indian Head. Basically here is what I am looking for. A flat coin that has the design "incusely" stamped into the coin. Just like the Idian Head gold coins. In looking at the pics these coins only partially incuse. Oh well, maybe there aren't any out there..... Thanks!
Todd

AuldFartte

<< <i>I'm amazed that no one pointed out that the Dead Prez dollars have incuse lettering on the edges. >>



That's not Darkside. That's Crapside

Zot

<< <i>A flat coin that has the design "incusely" stamped into the coin >>


Hmmm... flat, with the design stamped into it.... Swedish plate money should meet those requirements

ASUtodd

Ok .... maybe I need to post a pic... There are no raised edges on this coin. The design, instead of rising upward, goes inward... ALL OF THE DESIGN....

lordmarcovan

<< <i>These are all great examples BUT they aren't like the Indian Head. Basically here is what I am looking for. A flat coin that has the design "incusely" stamped into the coin. Just like the Idian Head gold coins. In looking at the pics these coins only partially incuse. >>



Apparently you didn't look at the link to the Sweden KM845.

Now, I'll grant you, it isn't a terribly exciting design, and certainly not as handsome as the Pratt Indians on the US gold, but it is indeed entirely incuse. No "partially incuse" about it. I have some and can prove it to you. Want one? Fine. Yours free, with my compliments, if you PM your address. (But be warned I gotta dig through sixty pounds of bulk stuff to find one. I know I have several... somewhere.)



Edit- oh, you don't want a raised rim at all? Well, there might be a little bit of one on these. Not much. It is what you originally said. A flat coin with an incuse design. If you meant an incuse design without a raised rim, I don't know. There are bound to be some out there.

Anyway, the rim isn't really part of the "design", per se.

PS- shouldn't you be out digging? Get busy, man!

(I would be, myself, but my daughter is due on the schoolbus in a couple hours, and it's raining. Let it rain today- I dig tomorrow!)

ASUtodd

I'm at work so I can't dig. I'll be digging come about 4this afternoon. Trust me, as long as the weather holds I'm going to dig today.
Todd

lordmarcovan

Good, there are people counting on you.

(Link provided for the Darksiders' amusement, in case any of them wanna see the antics we get up to on the MD forum, and perhaps enter the giveaway).

wybrit

Parts of both the obverse and reverse of the Victorian Bun head penny are incuse in some die parings.