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What do you hate most about ebay / sellers?

One of the things that tics me off is some one selling a card for for hundreds or even thousands of dollars and charge a $8.00 shipping fee. you think for that much you would get free shipping. (a bulk order may be a different story, depending on the weight)
Bill
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  • Bill,

    I understand what you are saying, but just because a card sells for hundreds or even thousands, doesn't mean that the seller necessarily made a profit - then they still have to pay eBay and PayPal fees.
  • bigfischebigfische Posts: 2,252 ✭✭
    think most problems on ebay have to do with buyers. If they would leave more negatives, others would be less likely to be ripped off or cheated by scum sellers. They would then be weeded out rather quickly.
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  • >think most problems on ebay have to do with buyers. If they would leave more negatives, others would be less likely to be ripped off or cheated by scum sellers. They would then be weeded out rather quickly. <

    I hear that, but when you have several hundred pos feedbacks, a few negs doesn't realy hurt.
    I'm getting ready to leave a few negs my self. still waiting on three cards i bought early Dec, which I haven't recieved yet and when I asked if they were sent they said they were sent on this day which was 2 and 3 weeks later after payment. I then asked again why it took so long to send I never got a reply. I am still waiting for them dam things to show up.
    Bill
    looking for PELLE LINDBERGH's psa and 1960 fleer baseball psa 8 and up
    sets in progress
    image
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    R.I.P. Barstow 24 April 1999 - May 15 2009
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Each deal is different so I have no idea what a seller has into a card. I do though dislike it when a guy is selling a card for 20k and then wants 100.00 for shipping/insurance etc. Then again I have no idea what he has in that card either.


    So, no I don't hate this the most about sellers I could find other things I hate them for even more!


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • thats why its called an auction. you get what they bid. deal with the loss and not screw people.

    9 out of 10 times, if I don't like the shipping cost I won't even bid unless I REALLY want that card
    Bill
    looking for PELLE LINDBERGH's psa and 1960 fleer baseball psa 8 and up
    sets in progress
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    R.I.P. Barstow 24 April 1999 - May 15 2009
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Bill

    You lost me on that one, what does the shipping amount have to do with that?


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • just another way of making a few extra bucks. thats all I'm trying to say.

    if you can't deal with ebay / pay pal fees, then don't sell
    Bill
    looking for PELLE LINDBERGH's psa and 1960 fleer baseball psa 8 and up
    sets in progress
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    R.I.P. Barstow 24 April 1999 - May 15 2009
  • CDsNutsCDsNuts Posts: 10,092
    Most merchants are jerks. Most businesses are jerks. Most customers are jerks. I don't like jerks.
  • <Most merchants are jerks. Most businesses are jerks. Most customers are jerks. I don't like jerks. <

    Why I got to be a jerk?
    Bill
    looking for PELLE LINDBERGH's psa and 1960 fleer baseball psa 8 and up
    sets in progress
    image
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    R.I.P. Barstow 24 April 1999 - May 15 2009
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Bill an ebay transaction for 1000.00 and an 8.00 shipping tab does not pay for the fees. It barely pays for the shipping I would imagine.

    Just using your figures.

    Steve

    Good for you.
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    i once considered the use of a carrier pigeon to transport cards to my victorious eBay shoppers, but only because a pony eats more and it won't let you tie a package to its leg image


  • << <i>Bill an ebay transaction for 1000.00 and an 8.00 shipping tab does not pay for the fees. It barely pays for the shipping I would imagine. >>



    Exactly right! Using Steve's example, what if the seller bought the card too high and had $950.00 into it and only sold it for $1000.00? That sometimes happens. With eBay and PayPal fees, that seller has actually lost money on the sale. Is the seller supposed to throw in free shipping just because the item sold for $1K and loose even more money?
  • so your saying, people jack up the shipping charges to pay for there ebay / pay pal fees.
    Bill
    looking for PELLE LINDBERGH's psa and 1960 fleer baseball psa 8 and up
    sets in progress
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    R.I.P. Barstow 24 April 1999 - May 15 2009
  • SidePocketSidePocket Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭
    I do though dislike it when a guy is selling a card for 20k and then wants 100.00 for shipping/insurance etc.

    Yeah, me too.

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  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    so your saying, people jack up the shipping charges to pay for there ebay / pay pal fees.


    I'm not saying anything of the sort! You did. I was simply showing (using your figures) that they will not pay the various fees. regardless of what they have into the card. A card sells for 1000.00 and the shipping is 8.00? That barely pays for the shipping!! I would assume a 1000.00 card is going at the least in a priority mail box? w/delivery confirmation added we are now at at least 7.00,(or 8.95 flat rate + DC) throw in some insurance and the cost of supplies and 8.00 is all but used up. Now if the seller takes your 1000.00 card and puts it into an envelope with a 41 cent stamp you have a beef.


    Steve

    edited to add: in your OP you said 'thousands of dollars" if that is the case then 8.00 you should be giddy with joy that, that is all the seller wants. Again regardless of what he has into the item.

    Good for you.
  • then if they are SO worried about making or breaking even, why not use reserve? I know another ebay fee.
    or even start the bid high in sted of .99 cents or what ever. I know another ebay fee
    Bill
    looking for PELLE LINDBERGH's psa and 1960 fleer baseball psa 8 and up
    sets in progress
    image
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    R.I.P. Barstow 24 April 1999 - May 15 2009
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Bill

    lol I'm not sure why the fees are an issue. I thought it was strictly the shipping costs you disliked.

    I think this thread has gone off from where it was originally intended.


    IMO anyone selling items that fetch hundreds and or thousands of dollars is not worrying about the fees. They may worry about the Paypal fees and will not accept them, but that is another story all together. They get to sell a hi dollar item for basically peanuts and then they ask for a nominal amount to ship it and that chaps you?

    You have lost me again.


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • they must be worring about some thing if they jack up prices
    Bill
    looking for PELLE LINDBERGH's psa and 1960 fleer baseball psa 8 and up
    sets in progress
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    R.I.P. Barstow 24 April 1999 - May 15 2009
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    OK


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • RipublicaninMassRipublicaninMass Posts: 10,051 ✭✭✭
    overcharge shipping ( I dont bid or figure it in like an auction house)
    NOT putting Qualifier in title of auction (wasted wasted time)
    overgrading or nOT mentiong creases/writing/paperloss( their defense is you should have asked before bidding)
  • Bill,

    This is a true story! A few years ago I moved into a new place and went right out to buy all new furniture. I was looking at spending about $10K. Then they told it was $100 to deliver and set up the furniture. I told them that since I was spending so much money they should throw in the delivery for free. They then explained to me how much it costs to operate and maintain delivery trucks, delivery drivers salaries, gas, insurance, etc, etc, etc. They told me that they actually loose money on each delivery, only offer it as a courtesy and would much rather the customer pick up the furniture rather than having it delivered. They then told me that if I wanted to pick it up myself from their warehouse, I could save myself the $100 delivery fee and they would also take an additional $100 off the ticket. I thought about it for a minute and they were absoultely right. I couldn't have gone and rented a U-Haul and hired somebody to help me carry it upstairs for $100. I gladly paid the $100 delivery fee. What does this have to do with sportscards? Absolutely nothing. But your OP stated that you feel just because you spend X amount of dollars, that you should get something for free (shipping). My point is it does not matter how much money you spend whether it's $100, $1000 or $10K, sometimes there are still other costs involved in doing business and why should the business have to eat them? When the post office starts offering free shipping, I'll start offering free shipping. Until then, it's just a cost associated with doing business.
  • Steve,

    Come on, you giving up?
    how about a new subject?

    what about over pricing? is that to make up the fees?
    Bill
    looking for PELLE LINDBERGH's psa and 1960 fleer baseball psa 8 and up
    sets in progress
    image
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    R.I.P. Barstow 24 April 1999 - May 15 2009
  • <This is a true story! A few years ago I moved into a new place and went right out to buy all new furniture. I was looking at spending about $10K. Then they told it was $100 to deliver and set up the furniture. I told them that since I was spending so much money they should throw in the delivery for free. They then explained to me how much it costs to operate and maintain delivery trucks, delivery drivers salaries, gas, insurance, etc, etc, etc. They told me that they actually loose money on each delivery, only offer it as a courtesy and would much rather the customer pick up the furniture rather than having it delivered. They then told me that if I wanted to pick it up myself from their warehouse, I could save myself the $100 delivery fee and they would also take an additional $100 off the ticket. I thought about it for a minute and they were absoultely right. I couldn't have gone and rented a U-Haul and hired somebody to help me carry it upstairs for $100. I gladly paid the $100 delivery fee. What does this have to do with sportscards? Absolutely nothing. But your OP stated that you feel just because you spend X amount of dollars, that you should get something for free (shipping). My point is it does not matter how much money you spend whether it's $100, $1000 or $10K, sometimes there are still other costs involved in doing business and why should the business have to eat them? When the post office starts offering free shipping, I'll start offering free shipping. Until then, it's just a cost associated with doing business. >

    a card weighs a few ounces, a couch weighs a hundred pounds. big differance
    Bill
    looking for PELLE LINDBERGH's psa and 1960 fleer baseball psa 8 and up
    sets in progress
    image
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    R.I.P. Barstow 24 April 1999 - May 15 2009
  • baseballjeffbaseballjeff Posts: 1,085 ✭✭✭
    How people jack us on shipping up here to Alaska, or tell us they won't even ship to Alaska. For standard USPS the price is NO difference.


    WE ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN ALL THE REST OF THE UNITED STATES!!! image
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    I surendered.

    Steve
    Good for you.
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "When the post office starts offering free shipping, I'll start offering free shipping.
    Until then, it's just a cost associated with doing business. "

    //////////////////////////////////////

    ALL of my shipping is "FREE."

    And, the BUYER pays for every cent of it. I never sell
    anything for less than an amount that includes ALL of
    my costs.

    I list 95% medium-high BINs and 5% reserve-auctions.


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  • <How people jack us on shipping up here to Alaska, or tell us they won't even ship to Alaska. For standard USPS the price is NO difference.


    WE ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN ALL THE REST OF THE UNITED STATES!!!>

    I get the same thing being that my address is an APO ( American Post Office)
    Bill
    looking for PELLE LINDBERGH's psa and 1960 fleer baseball psa 8 and up
    sets in progress
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    R.I.P. Barstow 24 April 1999 - May 15 2009
  • sagardsagard Posts: 1,901 ✭✭✭
    Ebay and PayPal fees are roughly $65-$70 and could be a lot more depending on listing options. How is $8 shipping really helping defray those costs?
  • mtcardsmtcards Posts: 3,340 ✭✭✭
    Please refer to previous posts about the cost of doing business

    This thread has left the original topic and gone onto a bash of merchants and their prices. Again, if you dont like the price, INLCUDING SHIPPING AND HANDLING...DO...NOT...BUY...IT

    You think starbucks doesnt figure in their extra costs when charging you $4 for a cup of coffee?

    You think Waffle House doesnt figure employee costs in?

    Selling on ebay is a business, NOT a place for people to get something for nothing. Open a "brick and mortar" business location and see how much you pay in "fees", ie. shipping charges, utilities, rent, taxes, etc. etc. and you will see that the little amount you pay in shipping which may recover some fee charges for the seller is not that big of a deal.

    I like what VTG said...when the USPS offers free shipping and handling, SO WILL I
    IT IS ALWAYS CHEAPER TO NOT SELL ON EBAY
  • <Ebay and PayPal fees are roughly $65-$70 and could be a lot more depending on listing options. How is $8 shipping really helping defray those costs?>

    its the thought that counts
    Bill
    looking for PELLE LINDBERGH's psa and 1960 fleer baseball psa 8 and up
    sets in progress
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    R.I.P. Barstow 24 April 1999 - May 15 2009
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    I think Bill was bored and just wanted to debate.

    Steve
    Good for you.
  • Cpt. Spock must be a seller, or likes likes his Starbucks and Waffle house
    Bill
    looking for PELLE LINDBERGH's psa and 1960 fleer baseball psa 8 and up
    sets in progress
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    R.I.P. Barstow 24 April 1999 - May 15 2009
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Bill is it true you are in the UK? lol and you are bi&c^ing about 8.00 shipping? lmao


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • here is an example, this guy is selling a card for 30K and $45 shipping fee. me personaly, If some one gave me 30K for a card, I don't think I would be worried about shipping fees.

    example
    Bill
    looking for PELLE LINDBERGH's psa and 1960 fleer baseball psa 8 and up
    sets in progress
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    R.I.P. Barstow 24 April 1999 - May 15 2009
  • A $1000 item has a minimum of $5 in insurance, so pick shipping format of choice and $8 is proably right on ir even low. Assuming that the seller tells you up front what the shipping costs are, if that $8 in shipping is more then you can take, then I suggest bidding $992 instead of $1000.

    I ship everything that I'm going to insure UPS, costs a little more, but I'm up front about it, take it or leave it.
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  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    Dear God,

    This was the funny joke you promised to make up for the recent misery, correct?

    Your friend,

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  • <Bill is it true you are in the UK? lol and you are bi&c^ing about 8.00 shipping? lmao>

    Yes its true that i am in the UK. but I am in the Air Force which technicaly is a U.S. instalation. so I pay normal rates just like every one else. I have an APO address which stand for American Post Office. 41 Cents a stamp. just like you all
    Bill
    looking for PELLE LINDBERGH's psa and 1960 fleer baseball psa 8 and up
    sets in progress
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    R.I.P. Barstow 24 April 1999 - May 15 2009


  • << <i>One of the things that tics me off is some one selling a card for for hundreds or even thousands of dollars and charge a $8.00 shipping fee. you think for that much you would get free shipping. (a bulk order may be a different story, depending on the weight) >>



    boy, some people get ticked off easily... $8 s/h for a card that sells for hundreds or thousands sounds like a GREAT s/h price to me...that won't even cover insurance. That s/h is very reasonable and would make me happy.

    The thing i dislike the most in listings is reserves, and not disclosing the reserve....i won't even bother bidding unless it is something i REALLY want...i discourage any sellers from using reserves.

    But the thing i dislike most about ebay at all, is buyers who complain for no reason. IF s/h is disclosed, there should be NO ZERO ZILCH complainin....calculate it into your bid.
  • What a waste of a thread...lol
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "i discourage any sellers from using reserves. "

    //////////////////////////////////

    It certainly reduces the number of bids.

    But, unless you want to risk giving expensive stuff away
    to cheapskates and sharpshooters, it is the best way
    to go.

    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.


  • << <i><How people jack us on shipping up here to Alaska, or tell us they won't even ship to Alaska. For standard USPS the price is NO difference.


    WE ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN ALL THE REST OF THE UNITED STATES!!!>

    I get the same thing being that my address is an APO ( American Post Office) >>




    I don't charge extra for APO or Alaska....but the USPS does. It has been a while since the USPS only used weight to figure your shipping, unless you are talking letters of course. Packages very depending on the distance.

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    Mark
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    Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
  • The USPS charges more to ship to an APO.

    8.00 on a thousand dollar card is cheap once you figure insurance in the equation..

    Yes many sellers build their listings fees into their shipping. Its hard to include FVFs on most items, but I do include my actual listing fee and still charge less than alot of sellers do.

    I can send an item weighing 1 pound 1 ounce to Houston for about 5.00, but to send that same package to Alaska or an APO it cost alot more.


  • << <i>


    So, no I don't hate this the most about sellers I could find other things I hate them for even more!


    Steve >>



    image This would be one of the least of my concerns. I suppose my biggest worry, would be not receiving the item after I paid for it.
  • Where do I start?

    Sellers who describe the item in one sentence or worse ZERO description
    Not everyone knows what your selling, everyone isn't a veteran collector

    Yet their terms of sale run up to 4 full pages
    I'm not that interested in your TOS, I'm interested in the item for sale

    I don't mind paying a fair shipping/handling fee
    If it fit's into A flat rate Box I'm NOt paying $45 for u to ship it to me
    Problem is too many sellers see shipping as a PROFIT center

    Horrible Scans or Deceptive scans

    Deceptive Title Listing i.e. A graded card is A PSA 8 but they fail to mention it's OC
    Tell me that in the title so I don't waste my time having to read your listing to find this out

    Draconian Terms of Sale
    The whole deal is One Way, their Way
    Atilla the Hun would be nicer to deal with

    Take forever to Ship, Shipping is a Low priority for them, they ship whenever they have time

    Poor Packaging, It's absolutely amazing stuff arrives in one piece how some people pack so poorly
    Doesn't anyone use a box anymore to Ship?
    If your selling a $1000 or more expensive card A Box would be nice

    NO Invoice

    99.9% of the sellers never send me any sales lists with my item, how dumb?

    Sellers who do not reply to Inquiries or worse
    when they do reply to a question they don't answer the question
    One seller, I asked him 18 questions on a rare expensive card, he replied & didn't address even one question
    Needless to say I didn't bid on the card
    When they do reply they don't tell u what item they are referring to so u have no idea what the reply is referring to
    They reply & fail to sign their Name
    Were these cretins born without a Name?
    How freakin rude !!!!!!!!!

    Majority of sellers are so unprofessional, but I guess that's expected since a majority a not full time dealers but collectors or part-time dealers at best
    At least try to be a Pro even if your not
    But many big sellers are pathetic in how they run their Ebay business
    they continue to survive in spite of being on the verge "clueless"
    Anyone can go into business, that's easy
    Staying in business is the tough part












  • AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭
    High shipping. A seller on ebay wanted to charge $10 per box. I won two boxes, they refused to ship them together, and wanted $20 for shipping. After I complained, they agreed to send both for $13. image
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  • baseballjeffbaseballjeff Posts: 1,085 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i><How people jack us on shipping up here to Alaska, or tell us they won't even ship to Alaska. For standard USPS the price is NO difference.


    WE ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN ALL THE REST OF THE UNITED STATES!!!>

    I get the same thing being that my address is an APO ( American Post Office) >>




    I don't charge extra for APO or Alaska....but the USPS does. It has been a while since the USPS only used weight to figure your shipping, unless you are talking letters of course. Packages very depending on the distance.

    Clear Skies,
    Mark >>



    No they don't. Standard shipping is the same anywhere you mail a package. If you want to add on the extra stuff, Fed Ex, UPS, etc... than yeah, that'll cost you more, but regualr 1st class, or Priority, no difference.
  • "No they don't."

    I love it when people correct you with wrong information. I mail three times a week baseballjeff, so I know my mail stuff.


    USPS Linky


    Above is the USPS calculator, USPS website. Type in a 2 lb. package, first class mail, from 90210 (CA) to 12404 (NY) and the same 90210 to 67211 (KS)....you will see they are not the same rate.

    This all changed last year when the rates changed.

    Clear Skies,
    Mark

    Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards.
    Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
  • baseballjeffbaseballjeff Posts: 1,085 ✭✭✭


    << <i>"No they don't."

    I love it when people correct you with wrong information. I mail three times a week baseballjeff, so I know my mail stuff.


    USPS Linky


    Above is the USPS calculator, USPS website. Type in a 2 lb. package, first class mail, from 90210 (CA) to 12404 (NY) and the same 90210 to 67211 (KS)....you will see they are not the same rate.

    This all changed last year when the rates changed.

    Clear Skies,
    Mark >>




    Try it with a 10 oz. envelope. Clearly that would suffice a couple graded cards wrapped in bubble wrap, you'll clearly see priority mail is the same cost if you were to mail it to your neighboring state, or to us outsiders in Alaska. It's fine, people who charge us differently don't buy from them. No worries, we'll take our business else ware.

    Jeff
  • EstilEstil Posts: 7,199 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The ones that don't know how to ship a complete set properly (hint: you do not just wrap the set box in brown paper; I had at least two sellers do that and ruin the set). Also, the ones that play the insurance card. You know, the ones that say "I'm not responsible for lost/damaged merchandise if you don't pay the extra two dollars for the insurance"; that's just plain extortion. If the item is valuable enough (say over $50 or something), the insurance should come automatically with the shipping. If I sold any kind of items of any significant value, I wouldn't take any chances if I don't have to.
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  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    you'll clearly see priority mail is the same cost if you were to mail it to your neighboring state, or to us outsiders in Alaska. It's fine, people who charge us differently don't buy from them. No worries, we'll take our business else ware.


    I'm not sure that is true any longer. I get a different rate charged to me depending on where I send it too.

    Steve
    Good for you.
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