A message to Roger Clemens and ALL THE REST
softparade
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Blackball the liar from the HALL OF FAME just like all the rest. McGwire, Bonds, Palmerio, Sosa, etc. Every god damn one of them. BLACK BALL them .... not one of these cheaters should EVER make it to Cooperstown. My hope is that 123 years from now this era of cheating ba$$$tards will be vilified WORSE then they are even right now. I don't give a rats a$$ if this is not a fair "trial" Do away with them. The records will stand UNFORTUNATELY. The Hall Of Fame voters have a chance to do some great justice. Let the court of public opinion out weigh the horse crap notion of innocence until proven guilty. Forget the teams these clowns have played for. It is a problem that goes well beyond the major league clubs. The message needs to be sent that this crap WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.
BLACK BALL ALL OF THEM FROM ANY HALL CONSIDERATION.
BLACK BALL ALL OF THEM FROM ANY HALL CONSIDERATION.
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<< <i>Blackball the liar from the HALL OF FAME just like all the rest. McGwire, Bonds, Palmerio, Sosa, etc. Every god damn one of them. BLACK BALL them .... not one of these cheaters should EVER make it to Cooperstown. My hope is that 123 years from now this era of cheating ba$$$tards will be vilified WORSE then they are even right now. I don't give a rats a$$ if this is not a fair "trial" Do away with them. The records will stand UNFORTUNATELY. The Hall Of Fame voters have a chance to do some great justice. Let the court of public opinion out weigh the horse crap notion of innocence until proven guilty. Forget the teams these clowns have played for. It is a problem that goes well beyond the major league clubs. The message needs to be sent that this crap WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.
BLACK BALL ALL OF THEM FROM ANY HALL CONSIDERATION.
Scarlet Letter 'em!
they seem to get a free pass on this issue.
shawn merriman comes to mind last year 4 game suspension. swept under rug. rodney harrison same deal. congress was gonna attempt to go into nfl i think.. what happened? they never did.
dan i repect you but to single out these 4 or 5 guys is wrong. everyone has to face this.. 80% of mlb was taking something in the 90's at some point.
test every week and put this to rest. bc i think a lot of people are getting so tired of this issue is starting to ruin fan interest as bad as the strike in 94. i might not even buy the mlb package this year bc its all about hgh and roids.
clemens
Mark McGwire
Manny Alexander
Chuck Finley
Barry Bonds
Marvin Bernard
Randy Velarde
Wilson Alvarez
Bret Boone
Ozzie Canseco
Juan Gonzalez
Dave Martinez
Ivan Rodriguez
Tony Saunders
Miguel Tejada
Lenny Dykstra
Dave Hollins
Roger Clemens
Andy Pettitte
Brian Roberts
Jay Gibbons
Gary Matthews Jr.
Jerry Hairston Jr.
David Bell
Darren Holmes
Rick Ankiel
Troy Glaus
Scott Schoeneweis
Matt Williams
Jose Guillen
Ismael Valdez
Ken Caminiti
Bobby Estalella
Jason Giambi
Jeremy Giambi
Armando Rios
Benito Santiago
Gary Sheffield
Jose Canseco
Tom House
Wally Joyner
Jim Leyritz
Paxton Crawford
Jason Grimsley
David Segui
John Rocker
Paul Byrd
Shane Monahan
Ricky Bones
Alex Cabrera
Larry Bigbie
Jack Cust
Tim Laker
Todd Hundley
Hal Morris
Mark Carreon
Matt Franco
Rondell White
Chuck Knoblauch
Greg Zaunn
David Justice
F.P. Santangelo
Glenallen Hill
Mo Vaughn
Denny Neagle
Ron Villone
Chris Donnels
Todd Williams
Phil Hiatt
Todd Pratt
Kevin Young
Mike Lansing
Cody McKay
Kent Merker
Adam Piatt
Jason Christiansen
Mike Stanton
Stephen Randolph
Paul Lo Duca
Adam Riggs
Bart Miadich
Fernando Vina
Kevin Brown
Eric Gagne
Mike Bell
Matt Herges
Gary Bennett Jr.
Jim Parque
Brendan Donnelly
Chad Allen
Jeff Williams
Howie Clark
Nook Logan
Alex Sanchez
Jorge Piedra
Agustin Montero
Jamal Strong
Juan Rincon
Rafael Betancourt
Rafael Palmeiro
Ryan Franklin
Mike Morse
Carlos Almanzar
Felix Heredia
Matt Lawton
and ON and On and ON from here.
BLACK BALL ALL OF FTHEM. ESPECIALLY THE GUYS UP FOR COOPERSTOWN
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Simply put, it appears that most people are only concerned about the rewards attributable to cheating, e.g. HOF, Records, instead of cheating itself. Need evidence? Is there ever any talk of the "minor" cheaters, e.g. the cheaters who took steroids TO GET INTO THE MAJORS or the cheaters who took steroids TO STAY IN THE MAJORS.
/s/ JackWESQ
The NFL????? Good question Chris. Although that good question IN NO WAY should minimize the uprising happening now in baseball.
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<< <i>I wonder about this question myself all the time and so I ask it to you. Would there be any hoopla over the steroids issue if NOT ONE SINGLE RECORD had been broken? Are we angry about steroids in a vacuum, e.g., using steroids is bad for you because of all the detrimental health effects. Or are we angry about steroids because the use of steroids has allegedly enabled players to break some of our most cherished/hallowed records? Think about it, how many of us were hoping that Bonds wouldn't break Aaron's record and that was all we cared about. Did any of us hope that Bonds would be suspended so that it would send the right message to America's youth that steroids are bad for you and you shouldn't use them.
Simply put, it appears that most people are only concerned about the rewards attributable to cheating, e.g. HOF, Records, instead of cheating itself. Need evidence? Is there ever any talk of the "minor" cheaters, e.g. the cheaters who took steroids TO GET INTO THE MAJORS or the cheaters who took steroids TO STAY IN THE MAJORS.
/s/ JackWESQ >>
I am freaking MAD because I have 2 young sons who will grow up and maybe even love baseball. I am mad because my two young sons will never have a chance (not that that is even likely) with this CRAP going on.
Guys with young children are not even thinking about the question posed by JackWESQ ........... Guys with young children are WORRIED about their young children should they ever play the sport competitively
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MATT FRANCO LOL!!
didnt mean any disrespect.. just having fun.
by the way dan your giants are going down on sunday
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by the way dan your giants are going down on sunday
We shall see about that! Looking forward to it Chris !
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"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
<< <i>softparade, I take it that you will never step foot into Yankee Stadium or another baseball stadium because estimates are more than 50% of the current players you would be watching were on roids at one time?
Nah, you are not catching my vibe. Thats cool. Most don't. I enjoy the game, let the game go on in its every day manor. I love baseball. My hope is that these guys will be BLACKBALLED from Cooperstown. B-L-A-C-K-B-A-L-L-E-D. EVERY ONE OF THEM who at this point seems Hall worthy. That will send a message ..... YES IT WILL. The evreyday game? I can't live without. It will go on ..... I do SINCERELEY HOPE that 100 plus years from now the game I grew up with and watched through adulthood and loved and still do love is LAUGHED AT and RIDICULED to no end for what has gone on .......
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Not being a smartass, just trying to get a grip on why you are upset. I dont think anyone cares about Ron Villone or Nook Logan. Toss is a name like Clemens and the opinions seem quite different.
<< <i>What if none of them were Hall worthy, would you still be upset?
Not being a smartass, just trying to get a grip on why you are upset. I dont think anyone cares about Ron Villone or Nook Logan. Toss is a name like Clemens and the opinions seem quite different. >>
hmmmm .... not trying to be a smartass either css but what if the sky were PINK instead of BLUE?
Come on man, I need better feedback then this .... toss ina name like Clemens huh? What about Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, Palmeiro .... what about the FACE of baseball for the last 10-15 years?
Geeeeeeeez man
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What happens if a clubhouse attendant comes out tomorrow and says Griffey Jr juiced? Do we automatically kick him to the curb too?
I'm not saying Clemens or anyone else is innocent but before you blackball a man or ruin someones reputation proof positive would be nice.
The guys who are outed and will be outed should be kicked to the curb. Like last nights trash. I don't think dragging in the names of guys who are most probably clean benefits your arguement ... and just what arguement is it? If anything those guys (Griffey, Johnson, Big Hurt) will only be looked upon as guiding lights in a era chock full of cheats. I am talking about guys who HAVE BEEN OUTED. Where did I say or even hint that guys you mentioned should be licked to the curb?
Please do not twist my angle into something your mind has conjured up. I AM SAYING THE GUYS WHO HAVE BEEN OUTED should be BLACK BALLED. Forever and ever. I have NO IDEA why you would bring up guys who are not remotely suspected and intertwine them with the obvious cheats ..... whatever man ....
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crystal meth
cocaine
pot
drunks
roids
hgh
pill popers
lsd
acid
etc..
kuhlmann, those drugs are illegal and if you caught doing them it's jailtime (except pot and booze, well if you got glaucoma that is). Also last I checked those drugs didn't give you a competitive advantage over players not doing those drugs. MLB is supposedly going to crack down on ampethimines too, so let's see where that goes.
and i do think it could be addressed more in the sports media to help out with those types of drugs.
<< <i>quick question to everyone? whats worse in your opionion?
crystal meth
cocaine
pot
drunks
roids
hgh
pill popers
lsd
acid
etc.. >>
I couldnt care less if athletes took recreational drugs, performance enhancers are the problem at hand.
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