ID help 1853 Swiss Canton Bern and hammered piece

laurentyvan

I can't find information on these pieces so I turn to this fountain of inexhaustible knowledge for help on KM ID and relative values. 1st is an 1853 Swiss Canton Bern which I think I've seen here but need help with. The 2nd is (I assume) a hammered piece, perhaps from Germany of German States which I can't find.

ASUtodd

This is what I found on the second one:
"Rekenpenning (Rechenpfennig) by Johann Jakob Lauer, rekenpenningmaker in Nuremberg in 1806-1852. On the front is Alexander the Great depicted as a ALLEX: MAGNUS; on the achtertzijde a lion with the text RECH: PFENN: and the abbreviated name of the maker IL The rekenpenning is depicted in Mitchiner under number 1992"

This is where I got it from Link (You'll need to translate it from Dutch to English)

Hope this gives you a start!
Todd

ASUtodd

Here are a few auctions with this same coin also. IN this auction the head of Magnus is in the other direction... Strange.... I don't know anything more than what I have found through google on these...
Ebay Auction
Todd

ASUtodd

Here is a link for the first coin. Shows a ton of this type of coin. Not much more info there but it is a start! Yours is about half way down and described as follows:
"Bern - 1853, Medal"

Link
Here is a link to the history of Swiss coins....
Link
Todd

laurentyvan

Thanks for getting me off on the right foot ASUtodd.

Might anyone else have different historical references to these specific jetons/medals?

MacCrimmon

L, although not very elaborate, the 1853 Bern-Schweizer medal is most probably for the 500th anniversary celebration (gefeiert) of Bern's 1853 assession into the 1291 "Old Confederation".